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April 13, 2007

Day Three - UPDATE

and still not one word from St. Amanda about the Duke players being declared innocent by the NC AG.

It took sometime, but Jill at Feministe steps up to the plate. However, don't expect anything like honesty from her on this.

To a hammer, everything is a nail, and rather than Jill taking the tact that a desperate-to-be-elected-at-all-costs DA has permanently damaged these young men along with people in the old and new media who couldn't wait to buy into stereotypes about "white priviledge", she does the weasly Vagina Warrior Against the Pervasive Patriarchy schtick

Anti-feminists in particular are overjoyed with the players’ exoneration — not because they particularly care about justice, but because they think this is a good way to stick it to the feminists who support rape survivors,
Such a nice way of reading minds, eh? Not a link to any of these people who eschew justice either.
Last I checked, the woman has not recanted her story. Last I checked, she isn’t being prosecuted for filing false charges. Last I checked, there is no evidence that she lied about a rape occurring.
Last I checked, she hasn't come out at all with any statements.
At this point, what’s obvious is that there was not a strong enough case against Reade W. Seligmann, David F. Evans, and Collin Finnerty to take it to trial.
Vagina Warrior Jill has hearing problems. The NC AG said they were innocent. Not "not guilty" but innocent. Maybe she should quietly check with some lawyer acquaintances of hers to understand the stunning significance of that word in that context.
That doesn’t mean that they’re upstanding citizens — after all, they hired a stripper for a team party,
I swear, did Jill have her irony gene removed? What happened to "consenting adult behavior is beyond criticism" meme? What happened to the "pro-sex" feminism that embraces the "hook-up" culture? What happened to the anti-parental notification activists whose basic argument is "there's nothing wrong with minor girls having sex, they do it all the time, so why punish them with pregnancy?" Suddenly we're hearing VW's talk about appropriate behavior?
She was taken to the hospital an examination supported her claim of sexual assault. Several of her fingernails were left behind on the bathroom floor, along with her cell phone and her purse. She fled the house without collecting her money. She called 911. Is that definitive evidence that she was raped? No. But it lends itself to the contention that something out of the ordinary happened in that house.
Notice how Jill has to omit some truths to get to that "something went on with those white boys" allegations. IE the fingernails were really press-on artificial nails and the rape exam merely confirmed that sex had taken place, not that a rape had occured. As as we found out later, DNA was found on her, from several men none of which matched any Duke player.

Jill wants to make this about rape victims not being believed, and she is partially correct. This case will make it harder for some women to be believed. But the responsibility for that lays at the feet of Sharpton, Jackson, the 88 Duke professors, Amanda, the indecent Samhita and especially [may he soon be disbarred forever] Nifong, for their racism, classim, sexism and cynical, political opportunism in trying to frame these young [and stupid] men.

The woman who helped perpetuate the hoax may be either mentally ill or just another opportunist, so her degree of responsibility in making it harder for real victims cannot be fully assessed yet. But she, or those that supported her, do bear some degree.

Own up to your failings in this matter, Vagina Warriors. It is also you and your continued efforts to say these men are anything but innocent that condemns the credibility of real rape victims.

UPDATE Jemele Hill

I could blame Durham County district attorney Mike Nifong, but that would be too easy. Oh, he's a lout, no doubt. He played upon the emotions of a community and its long-held hostilities, and put his reelection bid above morality and common sense. He played all of us and should be punished with nothing less than disbarment.

I could blame Jesse Jackson, who I have hoped for years would disappear to a faraway land where CNN wouldn't follow. As usual, Jesse showed up and showed out. He incited the masses and then left everyone else to sort out the wreckage. And if Jesse wants to gain an ounce of the credibility he no longer has, he would find the nearest camera -- and we know he's good at that -- and express sorrow with all the sincerity he can muster. But the day Jesse apologizes for causing a scene is the day Rosie O'Donnell wears a muzzle.

But if there is anything to be learned from Don Imus' fall, it's that real apologies are never accompanied by rationalizations.

So to Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty and David Evans, the three Duke lacrosse players whose lives were mangled by an unsupported rape accusation, I say two of the hardest words in the English language:

I'm sorry.

See? That's how classy adults behave.

(h/t Jeff Goldstein)

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Posted by Darleen at April 13, 2007 12:50 PM


So wait...I'm confused....are we supposed to believe Juanita Broddrick or not?

Posted by: gahrie at April 13, 2007 08:16 PM

The stripper hasn't been charged yet because they are trying to determine just how batshit crazy she is. Last I heard.

Posted by: B Moe at April 13, 2007 10:50 PM

This case will make it harder for some women to be believed.

DAMN RIGHT it will (and particularly when a fraud magnet like Sharpton takes up their causes). You would think that a bunch of women who claim to care about rape victims would be ANGRY with this Crystal Gail basketcase for being that woman who lied, who put a(nother) seed of doubt in people's minds when looking at a rape case. What will people remember? They'll remember THIS WOMAN LIED. Everyone still remembers Tawana Brawley, don't they? Scum like these women (and let's not leave their champion, the "Reverend" Sharpton, out of it) aren't easily forgotten like the countless real victims are.

These Vagina Warriors (haha) are frauds themselves. They will disregard all those who may be doubted some day because of this just to TRY to score some race-baiting points. (Good luck with that shit, girls.)

Let them keep defending this liar, though. Let these Vagina Warriors expose themselves as the perpetually-aggrieved, shrill mental midgets that they really are, and maybe they'll shriek their way into irrelevance.

Posted by: Beth at April 14, 2007 12:13 AM

So wait...I'm confused....are we supposed to believe Juanita Broddrick or not?

Of course not, because only upper-middle class WASP women who accuse Democratic public figures lie!!!

Posted by: Beth at April 14, 2007 12:17 AM

.... but because they think this is a good way to stick it to the feminists who support rape survivors,

It's about them. It's ALWAYS about them.

Posted by: Sav at April 14, 2007 01:09 AM

The argument you seem to be making is that, in a trial-by-media, the presumption should be that the accuser is a lying whore. Might I offer the modest suggestion that trial-by-media is not the right way to go about trying a rape case?

-- ACS

Posted by: ACS at April 14, 2007 07:04 PM

The argument you seem to be making is that, in a trial-by-media, the presumption should be that the accuser is a lying whore
Care to substantiate that with an actual quote of mine?

I only mention ONCE the accuser in this case and even state clearly that this case will make it HARDER for rape victims to bring charges.

Step out of your narrative for a moment, ok?

Posted by: Darleen at April 14, 2007 09:20 PM

Yes, of course, ACS--it's either the accuser is a lying whore or the accused are guilty before innocent, a bunch of "hooligans." Nice try.

How about this: NEITHER OF THE ABOVE.

I don't suppose that if the accuser were a rich sorority girl from Duke and the accused were working-class or unemployed men of color from around town, you'd be so quick to condemn the accused as guilty before innocent, would you?

Or are ALL those accused of rape guilty until proven innocent?

OBVIOUSLY trial-by-media is undesirable, but there are lots of things that happen that we don't like. (Although one can hardly condemn it when it's a hot topic at the blogs one frequents, as it has been in the "feminist blogosphere.") Why can't you just plain condemn The Liar for making real rape victims' cases even just a little more difficult for people to believe? What about those assholes who always take the side of the accused, who say "she asked for it?" You think this lying bitch did anything to make rape accusations any MORE credible?

That's all Darleen is saying (and so am I): "this case will make it HARDER for rape victims to bring charges."

Some feminist you are. This pathetic defense of a liar makes The Liar's defenders fools, NOT feminists, and it exposes you again as race-baiters and class war demagogues.

Posted by: Beth at April 14, 2007 09:46 PM

Furthermore, ACS, what about what Reid Seligman said--what about the accused who don't have the support of their families and means to defend themselves as they did? Tough shit, eh? They're men; therefore, they are guilty. Doesn't it make you wonder just a LITTLE if there are a few others sitting in prison because they couldn't afford a top-notch attorney? It happens, you know; it happens to people accused of all kinds of crimes (presumably--or at least hopefully--not very often). It's not inconceivable, or at least it isn't if one is intellectutally honest, that there are people wrongly convicted of rape as well.

Posted by: Beth at April 14, 2007 09:58 PM

Great post abnout this Darleen.

Those VW are phony's and all have been. Just like the N.O.W. group are phony. They didn't care about the rape victims of Clinton either.

This broad is a liar pure and simple. She lied about her husband/boyfriend. She just keeps lying every time she opens her mouth.

Does it make it hard for future rape victims, heck yes it does. But NOT because of the Duke boys, but because of the slut liar broad that has destroyed lives. Like the coach getting fired etc.

This lying human being should be thrown in jail. And I will NOT call her a victim, she makes others victims as long as she walks the streets in this world.

Posted by: Wild Thing at April 15, 2007 08:07 AM

Wild Thing,

I agree 100% that Mangum should be thrown in jail. Her lies almost sent 3 innocent men to prison for 30 years each. There is no good reason why she shouldn't get a similar sentence. Especially since she filed 2 false charges in the past.

Posted by: ratan at April 15, 2007 10:01 AM

Darleen, you failed to mention that Jill outright said that she thinks that the three men DIDN'T rape the woman.

Did you just fail to notice that part or did you "conveniently" forget to mention it?

Posted by: Jaxebad at April 15, 2007 12:17 PM

Jaxebad, you conveniently failed to note Darleen's update. Notably, you also conveniently failed to note Jill's distancing herself from her own words:

-I do, however, think that something happened in that house ...
I’m not sure what else explains her fingernails (sic) on the bathroom floor, her leaving her cellphone and wallet at the house (especially if she’s a greedy whore, as many people seem to be arguing), and the medical examination which showed trauma consistent with sexual assault.


Posted by: Beth at April 15, 2007 04:54 PM