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June 03, 2006

The crocodiles in Canada - UPDATED

Cotillion sister in Canada, Right Girl, alerted us by email this morning, and posts on the arrest of Islamist terrorists in Canada.

CSIS and the RCMP have arrested 12 male adults and 5 youths plotting acts of terrorism in Toronto. [...] Three tons of ammonium nitrate were seized in the raids last night. To put it into perspective, the spokesman from the RCMP advised that only one ton was used to destroy the Murrah building in Oklahoma City.
The detained suspects are all men, Canadian residents "from a variety of backgrounds" and followers of a "dangerous ideology inspired by al Qaeda," said Luc Portelance, assistant director of operations for Canadian Security Intelligence Service, in a news conference.

The targets were all in Toronto, CNN's Jeanne Meserve reported at least one source as telling her.

What is particularly telling about these home-grown Islamist terrorists with designs on killing fellow (but kaffir) Canadians is that Canada has had a history of appeasement to the radical moslems in their midst (the "multicultural" debacle of Quebec aside). Most recently it was Canada's largest retail bookstore pulling June's issue of Harper's Magazine because of an article on the "Muhammed cartoon" controversy. Recall, too, Canada's close brush with official Sharia, stymied only by Canadian citizens roused to its danger.

Appeasement of Islamists doesn't work. Like feeding the crocodile, all it delays is one's own destruction when all other food has been exhausted.

America is condemned for taking point in this war, but if not us, who?

Feisty comments.

UPDATE LGF has a list of the names of the twelve adults arrested.


Canada's spy service admitted this week it couldn't track down many domestic terror suspects and warned the country faced an increasing threat from "home-grown terrorists" who had been assimilated into society.

Jack Hooper, deputy director of operations at the Canadian Security Intelligence Service said the service was trying to keep track of "350 high-level targets" as well as 50 to 60 organizations thought to be linked to groups such as al-Qaeda.

Commenter Brad thinks CSIS did this without American style "spying". I would be very interested to see if any "leaks" about Canadian surveillance program makes it to the media because of politics AND if they undercut the idea that the only "proper" way to find hidden terrorists is with crystal balls and Ouija boards.

UPDATE 12:57p Seems Canada is about teh spying

The chain of events began two years ago, sparked by local teenagers roving through Internet sites, reading and espousing anti-Western sentiments and vowing to attack at home, in the name of oppressed Muslims here and abroad.

Their words were sometimes encrypted, the Internet sites where they communicated allegedly restricted by passwords, but Canadian spies back in 2004 were reading them. And as the youths' words turned into actions, they began watching them. [...]

The investigation began back in 2004, when CSIS was monitoring Internet sites and tracing the paths of Canadians believed to have ties to international terrorist organizations. Local youths espousing fundamentalist views drew special attention, sources say.

Heh. (h/t Stop the ACLU)

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Posted by Darleen at June 3, 2006 10:56 AM


You seem to imply that Canada is weak on terrorists -- despite the fact that they foiled this plot.

In any case, it will be very interesting to learn whether our Lefty neighbors to the north were able to uncover this conspiracy without monitoring every Canadian citizen's phone calls and email. Does Canada even HAVE an NSA? Are you equally interested to find out?

Posted by: Brad at June 3, 2006 10:27 AM

Certainly I'm interested, Brad.

Don't duck my premise ... that Canada's social appeasement of Islamists have not PROTECTED them from being a target.

Yet APPEASEMENT is the only tactic America's critics have to offer when confronting Islamists.

DON'T publish the "Muhammed cartoons"
TOSS out of the country an Islamist critic
ALLOW Islamists to have unimpeded control of parts of your "country"

It's really working well, don't you think, for Canada, Holland and France?

Posted by: Darleen at June 3, 2006 10:36 AM

The Islamofascists target us whether we fight them or appease them.

They give us the choice of dying on our knees or living on our feet, because they can't beat us militarily, socially, philosphically, intellectually, or politically.

They are the weakest enemy we've ever fought. All they have going for them is their inhuman, animalistic brutality. The only way they'll win is if we surrender.

Posted by: Tom W. at June 3, 2006 11:39 AM

Canada's version of the NSA is called the Communication Security Establishment, and it has far more powers of intercept and communication than the NSA does. It is also a second-tier member of Echelon. CSE is probably the agency that monitored these Islamists, with INSET/CSIS doing the bagging.

If you think Canada has more rights than the USA, you're dreaming. With our security certificates we can detain anyone, anywhere, indefinitely. Our constitution is so hedged with "reasonable this" and "probable that" that the government can pretty much do what it wants, and there is no tripartite separation of powers to stop them. The only thing giving refuge to Islamists is the very strong prevailing ideology of multiculturalism and political-correctness, wherein Muslims are always considered victims...even when they're plotting to blow up innocents.

Posted by: Philip Cassini at June 3, 2006 02:02 PM

Badda-biiiiinnnng.... Once again a moonbat emulates the "Whack a mole" game....Jumps up and chitters a leftard screed, or somesuch misspeak, only to be slammed by the Mallet of fact, back down in his ideological hole.... 'mazing

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at June 3, 2006 10:47 PM

Brad, how do ya like that? The miniscule percentage that still supports the Reptilian party calls US moonbats.

Posted by: blubonnet at June 3, 2006 11:12 PM

Hey blu


Leftism, and liberalism, and progressivism, and etc-ism. are not merely simple politics for most of these people. Their politics to them are a core part of their identity, and, more importantly, a central support propping up their egos. They are enlightened because they believe these things; someone who does not believe these things, and yet who, superficially at least, appears to be about as smart as they might be, represents a threat to their egos. The foundation upon which a crucial structure of their sense of self-worth is undermined if they discover that there may be people who can pass as normal and intelligent and yet do not believe as they do.
If one is smart, then one believes in progressivism.
If one believes in progressivism, then one is smart.
Those are the two assumptions that prop up their sense of self worth, and they are refuted by examples of smart people who don't believe in progressivism.
Or here
Though liberals regard themselves as intellectual -- their views, after all, are those of nearly all university professors -- liberal thought has almost died. Instead of feeling the need to thoughtfully consider an idea, most liberal minds today work on automatic. One-word reactions to most issues are the liberal norm.
This is easy to demonstrate.
Here is a list of terms liberals apply to virtually every idea or action with which they differ:
And here is the list of one-word descriptions of what liberals are for:
The poor
The disenfranchised
The environment
These two lists serve contemporary liberals in at least three ways.
First, they attack the motives of non-liberals and thereby morally dismiss the non-liberal person.
Second, these words make it easy to be a liberal -- essentially all one needs to do is to memorize this brief list and apply the right term to any idea or policy. That is one reason young people are more likely to be liberal -- they have not had the time or inclination to think issues through, but they know they oppose racism, imperialism and bigotry, and that they are for peace, tolerance and the environment.
Third, they make the liberal feel good about himself -- by opposing conservative ideas and policies, he is automatically opposing racism, bigotry, imperialism, etc.
Examples could fill a book.
YMMV, but that pretty much sums up moonbats.

Posted by: Darleen at June 3, 2006 11:54 PM

Brad and blubonnet don't even qualify as moonbats; they're just common fucktards. They're laughable, really. It's like watching a clown show.

Posted by: Beth C. at June 4, 2006 12:15 AM

Yes, I agree. Publishing insulting cartoons will surely defeat terrorists. And using sophomoric name-calling directed at liberals will keep America safe from terrorist attacks, too. (It's worked perfectly in the past century in keeping us attack-free).

Posted by: Kevin Hayden at June 4, 2006 02:28 AM

You don't even have the first clue what you're talking about, Darleen.

Thank God Canadians didn't listen to windings like you, or we'd never have caught the terrorists, one of whom was a good ole' boy from Georgia.

Posted by: Up There at June 4, 2006 05:44 AM

"Thank God Canadians didn't listen to windings like you..."

Does that mean something? What is it?

Posted by: Pablo at June 4, 2006 05:57 AM

WTF are you babbling about, up?

one of whom was a good ole' boy from Georgia. Georgia USA or Georgia Russia? Cuz from This we get:

1. Fahim Ahmad, 21, of Robinstone Drive, Toronto, Ontario;

2. Zakaria Amara, 20, of Periwinkle Crescent, Mississauga, Ontario;

3. Asad Ansari, 21, of Rosehurst Drive, Mississauga, Ontario;

4. Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30, of Lowville Heights, Mississauga, Ontario;

5. Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43, of Montevideo Road, Mississauga, Ontario;

6. Mohammed Dirie, 22, Kingston, Ontario;

7. Yasim Abdi Mohamed, 24, Kingston, Ontario;

8. Jahmaal James, 23, of Trudelle Street, Toronto, Ontario;

9. Amin Mohamed Durrani, 19, of Stonehill Court, Toronto, Ontario;

10. Steven Vikash Chand alias Abdul Shakur, 25, of Treverton Drive, Toronto, Ontario;

11. Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, 21, of Robin Drive, Mississauga, Ontario;

12. Saad Khalid, 19, of Eclipse Avenue, Mississauga, Ontario.

I see MISSISSAUGA, not Mississippi. And not one Billy Jeff or Bubba among them. Just all home-grown Canadian moslems.

Now if you mean Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee, you'll note they were arrested by the FBI last March. AND

Several U.S. counter-terrorism officials say they have been cooperating closely on several investigations with counterparts in Canada, Britain and other countries since September.
"The FBI has worked closely with the Canadian authorities on this case," agency spokesman Richard Kolko said Saturday, referring to the arrests in Ontario. "There is preliminary indication that some of the Canadian subjects may have had limited contact with the two people recently arrested from Georgia."
Looks like you may have gotten it bassakwards... it may be because of US authorities giving tips to Canucks that kept Toronto from experiencing Oklahoma City three-times over.

Posted by: Darleen at June 4, 2006 09:41 AM

Surfing the net = no civil rights problem

Sting operations to infiltrate terrorist cells = no civil rights problem

Warrantless searches = civil rights problem

Let the drool puddle, and furrow those brows harder, diptards, and you might get it.

Posted by: jpe at June 4, 2006 10:16 AM

You don't even have the first clue what you're talking about, Darleen.

You're probably right - she's not evil or vicious, just deeply, deeply retarded. (see the great line of ouija boards.....it's times like these one thinks there should be some kind of IQ test to qualify for a blog)

Posted by: jpe at June 4, 2006 10:20 AM


define "warrantless" searches. That doesn't include stop-light cameras, security cameras, or pen registers. The NSA collection of unidentified phone numbers to analyze traffic patterns is no more a "warrantless search" then a city's traffic analysis.

Do you understand that a cop does not have to have any sort of warrant to sit across the street from your home and then follow you around town all day long, making a record of where you go and when, and who you meet with and THEIR car license plate numbers?

Those that scream that the NSA program is a "warrantless search" are either sorely ignorant of the law or just got stuck on stupid via BDS.

Hey, to connect the dots one has to identify the dots in the first place...but the "we are being spied upon!" idjits DO seem to think the only proper way to identify bad guys is to use crystal balls and ouija boards.

Posted by: Darleen at June 4, 2006 10:57 AM

"Warrantless searches = civil rights problem"

- I'm making a guess here you're reffering to Clinton's warentless breaks and enters....

- Otherwise if such a thing occurs during the Bush adminstration we'll let you know.....

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at June 4, 2006 11:05 AM

- I'm making a guess here you're reffering to Clinton's warentless breaks and enters....

Drrrr......good lord. Try reading up on before you make yourself look like so stupid. Here's a question that's a good starting place: during Clinton's tenure, did FISA prevent warrantless physical searches of agents of foreign powers for national security purposes?

Do you understand that a cop does not have to have any sort of warrant to sit across the street from your home

Yeah. That's the point: we could have done what the Canadians did without rolling back any of our civil liberties (or sanctioning any of the NSA programs which are tantamount to the same).

To reiterate: liberals & libertarians* aren't against teh spying, but only spying in contravention of law and constitutional doctrine.

* I'm sure you could find nutters on DU or Alex Jones that disagree with me. If trolling those sites makes ya tick, far be it from me to complain.

Posted by: jpe at June 4, 2006 11:56 AM

- jpe - Maybe we can figure out some way to use a magic technocolor greatcoat to take away their rights too murder.... then we wouldn't need to spy....

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at June 4, 2006 12:10 PM

Oh - and read back up the posts to what a Canadian citizen had to say about the Canadian equivalent of our NSA, and the unempeaded lengths they can go to spy. You're stepping on your own feet here.

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at June 4, 2006 12:15 PM

"Canada's version of the NSA is called the Communication Security Establishment, and it has far more powers of intercept and communication than the NSA does. It is also a second-tier member of Echelon. CSE is probably the agency that monitored these Islamists, with INSET/CSIS doing the bagging."

The CSE is forbidden to intercept domestic communications. It deals with foreign signals intelligence. Since 9/11 it has the ability to intercept calls originating or terminating in Canada to or from foreign sources. It is subject to Canadian law including the Privacy Act, the Charter of Rights & Freedoms, and the Criminal Code. It does not have the powers of the NSA, nor anywhere near the NSA's budget or manpower. Unless of course, there are things we don't know about :)

Posted by: Carl at June 4, 2006 01:47 PM

the "we are being spied upon!" idjits DO seem to think the only proper way to identify bad guys is to use crystal balls and ouija boards

Darleen, don't you think the President is bound by the statutory dictates of FISA?

Or would you prefer that he not be bound by any laws whatsoever so long as we are at war?

Maybe we should suspend the legislative and judicial branches? Have the military run everything for the indefinite future?

Posted by: Brad at June 4, 2006 01:54 PM

it has the ability to intercept calls originating or terminating in Canada to or from foreign sources.

It seems to me that everyone is jumping to conclusions - before drawing conclusions about the utility of violating FISA based on this Canadian case, I'd like to know the specific legal parameters of CSIS. I'm willing to concede that lefties and righties alike are jumping the gun on this. I'll be watching Glenn Greenwald & Volokh, respectively, for the answer to this. (I looked on my own, but, having been trained in American law, Canadian law is pretty hard for me to decipher - the above poster was right - there's lotsa "reasonable" this and "acceptable" that, and I'm too lazy to search Canadian case law)

Posted by: jpe at June 4, 2006 05:29 PM

Carl - what makes you think they were "domestic". Would that be the same "domestic" screed we heard for weeks here in the states, before it turned out they weren't domestic after all.

- Remember, now that Bush caved and opened the NSA operations to ALL the members of the Congressional security committee, it would seem that the "off with their heads" has stopped, or don't you lefties even trust your own Senators.

- Wait. That was rhetotical. disregard.

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at June 4, 2006 05:40 PM