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March 13, 2006
Funny, isn't it, when a 'Men's Rights' group imitates moslems
Moslem divorce: male stands before wife and announces three times "I divorce you."
Shorter 'Roe v Wade for men' lawsuit: Unmarried male stands before gestating female (or female holding child he helped conceive) and announces three times "I don't want to be a father."
Technorati: Men's Rights, Child Support
Posted by Darleen at March 13, 2006 11:16 AM
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Me, I'm hoping the kid is put up for adoption, to a loving, two-parent family.
Both of the "Parents" involved in this sound completely awful.
Posted by: TalkinKamel at March 13, 2006 11:58 AM
Darleen:
You are usually pretty level-headed, which is why your hostility here puzzles me all the more. Any rational person looking at our laws concerning reproduction must see the inbalance and discrimination. Women have reproductive rights with no responsibilities. Men have reproductive responsibilities with no rights. The woman gets to make all of the decisions, and force the man to take responsibilities.
Gestating Woman stands before the man who helped her conceive and announces three times: "I'm killing your child, and there is nothing you can do about it."
or: "I'm going to force you to give me thousands of dollars every month, and there is nothing you can do about it"
Why isn't that just as unfair, immoral and inconsiderate as your scenario?
Posted by: Gahrie at March 13, 2006 08:39 PM
Gahrie
We are talking about two very separate issues here. Gestation and care of a born child.
I will address it in a full post.
Posted by: Darleen at March 13, 2006 08:55 PM
Darleen:
I fail to see a distinction when it comes to legal status. When it comes to gestestation, abortion, child support, custody, what have you..the man is treated unfairly.
Just one example: There are several instances in which children are conceived through adultry (everyone including the judge acknowledges that the man is not the biological father) but a man is forced to pay child support anyway.
Posted by: Gahrie at March 13, 2006 10:02 PM
I'll do a post on this myself when I get a chance, but here's the short version:
A man and a woman have sex. Pregnancy happens.
The woman can choose:
To kill the child.
To have the child and abandon it.
To have the child and raise it, with or without the man (her choice, basically)
The man can choose:
Virtually nothing. If the woman has the child, the man MUST pay for raising it. If the woman chooses to kill it, the man CAN NOT stop her.
(Note: I use "it" as a generic pronoun, not to de-personalize the child
There is no legal justification for forcing a person to unwillingly abide by the decision of another. A woman getting pregnant and deciding "I don't want to have a kid" and getting an abortion is no more or less grotesque than a man deciding *he* doesn't want to have a kid and legally abdicating his responsibility.
Either the man should have the same decision the woman has, or neither of them should have such a decision. Personally I don't think it's a legitimate decision for either of them to make, but that's just me.
Perhaps if enought people push this concept hard enough, society may finally turn its back on the concept of abortion as a "right".
Posted by: Strider at March 14, 2006 12:23 PM