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February 11, 2006

'Clash of Civilizations' - short clarification

Vis a vis the "Cartoon wars"

It's really about the clash of civilization v uncivilized.

The latter includes the apologists who say the uncivilized have a point.

Posted by Darleen at February 11, 2006 09:17 AM

Comments

- Apparently sucking on the Hukah and using a tire iron on your wife, is just is not enough Saturday night activity for the camel kings, so they've decided it would be cool to reinvigorate the 5th Crusade. Someone should point out to them that sand fuses into great glass.....

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at February 11, 2006 10:14 AM

http://www.natashatynes.org/mental_mayhem/2006/01/jordan_foreign_.html

reported that Jordan summoned the Danish honorary consul to Amman in the wake of the protest across the Arab and Islamic world against Danish newspaper cartoons considered offensive to the Prophet Mohammad.

Which means that Jordan doesn't have the faintest idea of Western concepts of a free and independent press. This view is shared by leaders in most Middle Eastern countries.

People in the Arab and Islamic world will have to simply accept Western ideals of liberal democracy which include a free press.

If they don't or won't, do this, dialogue between the non-Islamic West and the Islamic Middle East will simply be impossible.

Posted by: Carl W. Goss at February 12, 2006 09:15 AM

Here's an even worse statement of the Islamic position in Dawn, a Pakistani Newspaper:

http://www.dawn.com/2006/02/12/op.htm

Posted by: Carl W. Goss at February 12, 2006 09:27 AM

I agree. There is nothing CIVILIZED about trying to understand the many complex issues facing our world, and all of humanity. It is far more CIVILIZED to demonize gigantic segments of the human race, insist on evaluating all issues through a black and white lens of moral superiority and unfailingly claiming a higher degree of humanity than those we can always conveniently deplore. Not only is it useful for waging asinine, incompetent, dishonest military campaigns. It's also extremely useful for destroying the American system of Constitutional checks and balances and our once honorable rule of law. It's called "Civilization" For Dummies.

Posted by: A Friend at February 13, 2006 03:33 AM

Actually, "Friend", what you seem to advocate is called "Appeasement" for Dummies. I can almost hear you now in the pizzaria when the explosive belt is revealed whining, "But I called for understanding your point of view" Guess what. He won't care.

Posted by: J Rob at February 13, 2006 05:03 AM

- J - Appeasers are always shocked when the bomb is "them", but they also never learn from generation to generation. The shelves of despotic dictators have been lined with the heads of sychophants among the target victims. The elite are always the first to be lined up against the wall. No amount of history serves to awaken them to their very real peril. There are just some people that react to terror and threats, with self imposed guilt and survitude because of pure raw fear. That or its hereditary, I'm not sure which. Anyway thats why terror works in those cases where it has, and why we are the target of choice, since we show the least tendency to cave, other than the Liberals among us. Beat us down and the Celiphate is home free. Rock the cradle of Democracy, and you just might pull it off, so the Islamic thinking in the Jihadist camp goes. Some in the left may really think what they're doing is for the best. But the truth is they're being used and fattened for the slaughter.

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at February 13, 2006 06:47 PM

Hmm, I love the sound of wingnut hyperbole in the morning. OK, so attempting to comprehend this complex world God gave us is "appeasement". Preferring to gorge on self serving jingoism is ...um, "patriotism"?...except you want to save the whole world of uncivilized heathens, I believe. Your actual agenda is never clear, since it's so tied in with your slavishness to the authoritarian cult that now defines conservatism.

Please explain the appropriate non-appeasing response of the valiant US "conservatives". How about curfews on all Arabs worldwide, carpet bombing of any street congregation over a certain limit and forcing them all into cultural re-education camps until they are all "LIBERATED" to be just like...Darleen! Brave new world!

Uh, and Big Bang Hunter, stay under that bed until the entire Arab world gets Hannitized, you terrified little weenie. Kind of hard to spread freedom with so much terror and paranoia in your own heart, but you never know, the Islamofascists! might just find something about you they admire enough to want to become just like you.

Posted by: A Friend at February 14, 2006 02:40 AM

- Kinda sux to have your wussie asses called out huh A Friend....I understand....thats just gotta leave a mark.... Always love it when the cut and runners, suck-up apologists, and "I live in America but I sure as fuck would never fight for her" gaggle try to act macho. Something like the effect you get when you send a 12 year old to do a mans job. The only thing around hiding under any beds around here is the yellow stripe al Qaeda-bats. But we'll protect your punk asses so you can go on raving.

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at February 14, 2006 07:58 AM

Uh, I missed the part where you called anyone out, Big Bang (that name is a joke, right?) but I'm glad to see "you" are protecting punk asses all across America. How are YOU doing that exactly, by posting on Darleen's blog with a viagra-inspired screen name? (You're not the kind of "hunter" that Dick Cheney is, are you? The kind who waits in the car while the maimed birds are set loose for him to kill in a drunken stupor?)

You, and all your wingnut kind, are the worst kind of cowards, the kind the Founding Fathers feared. No principles, willing to sacrifice our Constitutional liberties the minute one of your fearmongering leaders blows his dog whistle. You would wipe your ass with our Constitution before you'd fight to defend it. I mean, I'm sure a guy who calls himself "big bang hunter" would gladly slaughter ragheads (or maimed caged quail) and enjoy doing it, but actually STAND UP for our Constitutional checks and balances? Who needs those?

I'm a veteran and a New Yorker. The last thing we need is queer redneck cowardly cultists "protecting" us. Pop another beer and go masturbate over Ollie North WWII specials. That's the extent of your patriotism.

Posted by: A Friend at February 15, 2006 03:38 AM

- Fuck you very much asswipe. Served my country in two campaigns while Liberal "ledheads" like you were back here in the states trying to find any dipsy dumpster they could hide behind. You fool no one with your mouthy bluster. I always enjoy watching an asshat get his panties in a bunch when anyone has the temerity to call your theoretical mind tripping what it really is. Heres a reference for you to chew on in your "elitist" star chamber mind...

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
-- Sigmund Freud, “General Introduction to Psychoanalysis”.

When you ask someone how they feel about fighting for and protecting our liberties, if it takes more than a simple : "Hell yes", its pretty clear where they're at in the scheme of things. Hell yes is the answer when someone asks if you have enough personal honor, character, and guts to fight for your country, family, and way of life. Anything else is just mendacity and evasion and belongs in the trash with the rest of the Liberal weinie bullshit.

- Tell you what. So you can relax and stop worrying about ever having to stand up like a man I'll write my Congress Reps and ask them to float a bill to give all Liberals/Marxists/Anarchists/Communists/Atheists/Theists/Socialists deferments for life. There. Feel better?

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at February 15, 2006 09:20 AM

Hey old man, so was Dick Cheney one of those liberals hiding behind the dipsy dumpster? Which category does he fall into in the stereotypes your Cult has taught you to spout?

Do you have a reading problem? I told you I DID serve my country, you stupid geezer. Six years in the Coast Guard, loved every minute, and had enough weapons training to understand you don't point a gun at another person's FACE unless you intend to blow his head off.

Don't worry. We New Yorkers aren't counting on viagra addicts like yourself to save our asses, neither are we counting on your corrupt, incompetent chickenhawk heroes. We have REAL courage here in this city and we NEVER take shit from cowards like your Cult Leaders. We laugh at you freaks, hiding under your beds out there in Bumfuck, Mississippi, and whining about how everyone's so mean to little Silver Spoon Georgie.

Now run along and pray to your Bust of Bush. Do you have to do that five times a day and do you bow down facing Crawford TX while you do it?

Posted by: A Friend at February 16, 2006 04:07 AM

I have some great friends in the Coast Guard, so theres no way I'm going to bad mouth guys that put their asses on the line every day, and I do apologize. I wouldn't have ripped you a new ass if I knew you were a retard. Next time warn the Adults before you speak child.....

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at February 16, 2006 08:01 AM