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January 30, 2006
More clarity from Hamas - with UPDATE
Even though CNN is not reporting everything Mahmoud al-Zahar said, even they couldn't help letting out these enlightening bits.
Speaking from Gaza City, Zahar said if Israel "is ready to give us the national demand to withdraw from the occupied area [in] '67; to release our detainees; to stop their aggression; to make geographic link between Gaza Strip and West Bank, at that time, with assurance from other sides, we are going to accept to establish our independent state at that time, and give us one or two, 10, 15 years time in order to see what is the real intention of Israel after that."Oh, and for the anti-Israel/anti-American Left, chew on this:"We can accept to establish our independent state on the area occupied [in] '67," he said. Israel took control of the West Bank and Gaza in the Six-Day War of 1967.
Zahar did not say how long an independent state in the West Bank and Gaza would be acceptable. Key conditions could allow Palestinians to give a "long-term hudna or long-term truce," and "after that, let time heal," he said.
But asked about Hamas' call for Israel's destruction, Zahar would not say whether that remains the goal. "We are not speaking about the future, we are speaking now," he said.
News reports have said Hamas plans to establish separate schools for boys and girls in the Palestinian territories and implement stricter Islamic law. Asked whether he plans a theocracy instead of a secular government, Zahar responded, "Do you think the secular system is ... serving any nation?"If one wants to continue to support "Palestinians" please be honest enough -- with yourself if nobody else -- that one is supporting people committed to the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews.A secular system "allows homosexuality, allows corruption, allows the spread of the loss of natural immunity like AIDS," he said.
UPDATE Over the jump choice bits from the transcript of Blitzer's interview with Zahar.
BLITZER: Mahmoud al-Zahar, thanks very much for joining us. I want to get right to a key question right now, recognizing Israel's right to exist.
The U.S., the Europeans, the Israelis say there won't be any dealings with Hamas until you do so. Are you prepared to accept a two-state solution, Palestine living alongside Israel?
MAHMOUD AL-ZAHAR, CO-FOUNDER, HAMAS: First of all, I would like to address that. PLO, in 1988, addressed that they are able -- they are accepting existence of two states.
Since that time, Israelis expanded the borders, occupied '67, confiscated our right in Jerusalem, put a separating wall between the people and their own homeland. And since that time nobody is able to live as a human being.
They accepted that and they signed an agreement already. But, tell me, what is the border of Israel right now? What is the official border to accept this state? Now, the Israelis are putting on their flag two blue lines. That means the river Nile and the Euphrates (ph).
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My emphasis. That unchallenged by Blitzer characterization of the Israeli flag is right there with Islamists acceptance of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" as fact.
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BLITZER: As you know, since 1993 and the Oslo accords, the United States government has provided the Palestinians with more than $1.5 billion in humanitarian and economic assistance.
But President Bush now says that will stop unless Hamas, as part of this new Palestinian government, A, renounces terrorism, and B, accepts Israel's right to exist.
How worried are you that this economic assistance, not only from the U.S. but from the Europeans and elsewhere around the world will dry up, will end, unless you accept those two conditions?
AL-ZAHAR: I think the (inaudible) condition on the expense of the national interest was rejected by the Palestinian people when they voted for Hamas in the last election.
I think that any nation that respects their dignity and respects the will of their own people will not accept conditional reflex (ph) on the expense of Jerusalem, on the expense of the national interest, the right of return and establishment of an independent state.
The second point is that Action Aid (ph) in its report said that 90 percent of this money went into the pockets of the people who are deeply corrupted, who cooperated with Israel, who are accepting this money not for the interests of the people, but for their own interests.
Believe me, if we are going to run, and we are, inshallah, we are going to do this program, to reconstruct our industry, reconstruct our agriculture and reform the administrative process, we'll be able to open a new channel through our other Arabic and Islamic and international community, to help the Palestinian people with those (ph) condition. We are looking for this money, but this money should not be conditioned.
I think it is worth it for the Israelis, for the Americans to ask the Israelis to stop their killing, to stop their detention, to allow the Palestinian people who are living in refugee camps to come back, to live there in their homelands, the lands of their father and grandfather who are living here since many thousand years**. Unless that happens, I think no of the Palestinian people will accept the argument of Israel.
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It is clear that Hamas does not, will not accept the existence of Israel. They either want to destroy it from within or from without. The bogus "right of return" just underlines everything already said.
**Also... more myth like the flag bit. JEWS have been living there since approx 1200 BC, so unless Zahar thinks himself either a Jew or a Canaanite, he really is yet another Judenhass liar.
Not one dime of US taxpayer money to "Palestinians." And I think public pressure on private groups supporting these Islamist thugs should now take front and center.
Posted by Darleen at January 30, 2006 09:46 AM
Comments
If one wants to continue to support "Palestinians" please be honest enough -- with yourself if nobody else -- that one is supporting people committed to the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews
Darleen,
Can you please be honest enough and admit you advocate the racist policies of resettling--at the point of tanks and guns--and marginalizing an entire people?
Posted by: Brad at January 30, 2006 10:21 AM
What ARE you babbling about?
I specifically said, as Sharon himself supported, a policy of SEPARATION NOT TRANSFER. Right now an Arab in Israel has infinitely more rights than a Jew in any ME Islamic country. Arabs sit on the Knesset for heaven's sake.
Hamas wants Jews DEAD and they were elected. No money, no negotiation. That is the only way to deal with the "Palestinians."
Posted by: Darleen at January 30, 2006 10:47 AM
I agree with you: we should give Hamas no money and we should not negotiate, UNTIL they renounce their charter.
Posted by: Brad at January 30, 2006 03:38 PM
- Excuse me Brad.... The Palestinians, in concert with Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Russia lost those territories by choosing to attack Israel on the eve of negotiations they lied at, saying they wished peace. They started a totally unprovoked war, lost their collectives asses, and now you want to placate their whiney butts, and just hand them back to them. Right. What message would that send kiddies. Anyone?... Bueller?
Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at January 30, 2006 06:57 PM
If we wait for Hamas to revoke its charter, it's gonna be a looooooooong time. . .
Posted by: TalkinKamel at January 31, 2006 06:00 PM