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October 09, 2005

Hillary Clinton -- a question

Oh for heaven's sake... Hillary is "inducted" into the Women's Hall of Fame

The hall, which opened in 1969, acclaims women who have made valuable contributions to society and especially to the freedom of women.

What the heck has Hillary done that has contributed to the freedom of women? In fact, I'd say her not serving divorce papers on Billy Jeff actually contributes against the notion of a self-reliant woman with a good sense of self-respect.

Posted by Darleen at October 9, 2005 08:43 PM

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she was elected senator, which is still, unfortunately, rare for women. she may well become the next president.

she's fought for emergency contraception, which prevents both abortions and unwanted pregnancies.

she's been trying to improve our health care system since way back before it was fashionable enough for newtie and fristie to jump on board.

she's trying to fix the problems in america's voting system that led to the republican supreme court choosing our president in 2000 (remember that?).

i'd continue, but i have a feeling my reply has a one way ticket to the trash can. but hey, you asked.

Posted by: jami at October 9, 2005 10:18 PM

and Hillary would have achieved all that if her name have never been "Clinton"....how?

BTW, all but ONE recount in FL bears out the SCOTUS decision.

Are we still arguing that one yet again?

A woman who has done everything on her own? - Dr. Rice.

Posted by: Darleen at October 10, 2005 01:21 AM

Hillary is a political whore. Had she never been first lady nobody would have ever heard of her outside her circle of friends. If the people of NY wish to be used as a stepping stone for her aspirations that is their problem.
She is no pioneer. She has done not one original thing to make life better for women. She even looked the other way while her husband was sexually harassing subordinates and/or raping them (do you really believe Juanita Broderick was the only one?). As far as I am concerned she deserves only scorn as she is a fraud.

Posted by: J Rob at October 10, 2005 03:52 AM

I have to laugh at jami. THAT is enough to be elected into the women's hall of fame? Fighting for "healthcare" that would have been a disaster and no one wanted, thank God. Fighting for emergency contraception??? Like the entire fleet of planned parenthood and NARAL don't do that every day.

In reality she is a slap in the face to feminism. She rode the coat tails of a charming but devious and cheating husband who humilated her in public office and made her lie about it (so she says) and then proceeds to stay in what is obviously a loveless marriage for political gain.

Awful. Truly awful.

But this is no surprise. The women's Hall of fame is full of women who have no right to be famous for being women.

Condi is so much more of what an independent women is and can be. There was never a man for her to depend on for her success. She made it on her own. And it is Condi who well may be the next President, btw.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at October 10, 2005 04:58 AM

Well for starters she's pushed to keep abortion legal. She's pushed for national health care, at a time few politicians dared deal with the issue. She's gotten herself elected to the US Senate. She's very much interested in women's issues. She's looking like a possible candidate for president in 2008.

She's not always been successful in her political and personal endeavors, but overall I'd say she's a great politician with a strong interest in public service.

I must admit a certain bias in her favor.

Posted by: Carl W. Goss at October 10, 2005 08:19 AM

Who would you suggest to receive that honor then Darleen? Harriet Miers maybe?

Posted by: Tillman at October 10, 2005 08:20 AM

Tillman

Did you not see me refer to Dr. Rice? She is a much more accomplished on her own merits person than Hillary.

And while I don't believe Miers has done the extraordinary things Rice has, she is still more accomplished than Hillary.

Goss

"pushing to keep abortion legal" Please substantiate that assertion. I haven't seen a thing where abortion is going to be made illegal.

Posted by: Darleen at October 10, 2005 10:29 AM

Hilary Clinton is an excellent Senator in New York, and has won over a lot of upstate Republicans because of her commitment to bringing jobs and aid to the poor rural regions. 50 % of NY State Republicans actually support her. Up from less than 30% when she first won election.

This is a nice quote:
Another Republican, Representative Peter T. King of Nassau County, struck a similar note in recent interview. He described Mrs. Clinton as a celebrity senator who is willing to take a subordinate role on an issue she cares about, rather than allowing her involvement to become a distraction.

For instance, Mr. King recalled an occasion when Mrs. Clinton suggested that he find another senator to be a co-sponsor of legislation that would benefit New York, because she figured that her presence on the bill would fire up the opposition. "There are very few politicians in public life who have the composure to step back, knowing that they will win in the end," he said.

Mr. King also said that Mrs. Clinton had been anything but the liberal extremist that her conservative critics accused her of being. "I'm not going to vote for her and probably disagree with her on 70 percent of the issues," he said. "But I think that too many Republicans who criticize Hillary Clinton sound like Michael Moore criticizing George Bush."

And that's a Republican zealot talking. You might also keep in mind that Mrs. Clinton's likely opponent is another wife of a cheating husband (recent child born out of wedlock) who also went to jail for tax fraud. And she's a Republican.

This partisan knife fighting is getting so tedious. Hillary's an excellent Senator. Rice has never been elected to anything.

Posted by: Io at October 10, 2005 01:02 PM

Io

Have I attacked Hillary anywhere on my blog?

And if she's being a "good senator" for NY, cool. However, I think any credibility she may have had to being "bi-partisan" was blown with her vote against Roberts. Even the liberal Left Angeles Times editorialized against the gang of 22 who voted against him.

What's the big whoopdeedo in being elected as an accomplishment? Dr. Rice rose on her own merit, including being provost at Stanford University. Are you going to try and tell me Hillary could have been elected senator in NY without her having been First Lady??

Posted by: Darleen at October 10, 2005 02:06 PM

Rice has not done much except help get us into a unfounded war in the middle east and made the U.S. the scorn of the world.

Posted by: Tillman at October 10, 2005 04:45 PM

Yes, Tillman, I know

Iraq was all kites and pink bunnies and the world loved us all before Dr. Rice had the termerity to not know her place as black woman from 50's Birmingham.

Good lord. Can we JUST stop with the "unfounded" war SHIT?

Posted by: Darleen at October 10, 2005 05:02 PM

The world was with us before we invaded Iraq. But after the invasion, things got ugly. You can't deny that.

I'll give you this Darleen, I like Rice much better so far in her new postion. She's softened up a bit and not been such a bitch lately. A little more, shall we say, diplomaitc.

I resent the racism implication. You know, it is OK to disagree with one person, you just shouldn't disparage a whole race of people. The latter, my dear, would be racism. So that doesn't fly.

Posted by: Tillman at October 10, 2005 05:43 PM

Tillman, don't you know the new Pubbie routine? You're not allowed to criticize any black people (it's racist) and you're not allowed to criticize white people who say outrageously racist things (it's racist to think they're racist).

Rice will never get elected to anything because the core of the Pubbie party in the deep south and midwest is still passionately racist and misogynisitic. She will not run. She's too smart.

I wish Hillary were not so tarnished with ambition that she couldn't see the same handwriting on the wall. If she runs, every knuckledragging pubbie pig will be dragging her private life through the mud (witness sparkly's utter confidence that she knows the interior of the woman's marriage). We will see misogyny and scuzz peddling like we've never had before in American politics.

It is a shame because, as Io has said, Hillary is an extremely competent and effective pubic servant who would, intellectually, make a good President. Perhaps Rice would as well, were she not tarnished with the Iraq debacle and the stink of Bush, which is going to be as big a liability in 2008 as Clinton's penis was in 2000.

Posted by: Snickr at October 11, 2005 04:33 AM

Snickr, I agree. But I hope that Hillary doesn't run for pres. How many millions of dollars have been spent to politically destroy her? Too many people have made their mind up that she's the deviless incarnate. Sad, but true.

Posted by: Tillman at October 11, 2005 05:07 AM

Agreed, Tillman. Hillary's qualifications are a moot question. What the winger slime machine would do to her, and to America, would simply be unbearable.

In NY, there were a lot of Go Home Hillary bumper stickers when she first ran. Now a lot of those people support her, because she's extremely competent and productive. The same thing could happen on a national level, but the irrational hatreds of the right wing will NEVER allow for a reasoned appraisal of that possibility. I wish her many terms as a fine NY Senator, a great lifetime achievement by any measure.

Posted by: Snickr at October 11, 2005 05:39 AM

Hillary has been a constant and unwavering supporter for women's rights across the world.

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