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September 26, 2005

Caption this

Arrested Cindy

See Cindy smile and hug? This is the closest she's gotten to having sex in really long time.
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Share your captions in the comments!

Posted by Darleen at September 26, 2005 10:56 PM

Comments

Darleen, a true representative of the meanspirited rightwing.

I'd like to see a picture of Darleen one of these days so we can caption that. How ugly is Darleen? How fat is Darleen? What kind of middle aged male monstrosity is she lucky enough to be having sex with?

You're a pig, Darleen, face it. With a weird fetish for neo-fascist dreams for America.

Posted by: Snicker at September 27, 2005 02:54 AM

It is kind of hard to take the above very seriously given the left's love of photoshopped pictures of the president as "evidence" of evil-doing (in particular the one of Laura Bush with blackeyes and a forehead cut...think domestic violence is funny, do ya?). The difference in this case is, this is a real picture.
Good grief, she was trying to get arrested in the first place, that was what the smile on her face for. If people want to make jokes about other possible sources of pleasure they are perfectly free to given that SHE put herself in that position after complaining that coverage of hurricane Rita was eclipsing her.

Posted by: J Rob at September 27, 2005 04:30 AM

"The Washington Cop is actually a reporter, doing what they do best in the service of the truth ..."

Ah, she's just a poor, grief stricken woman, doing what any mom would do in a period of personal grief, right?

Posted by: FrauBudgie at September 27, 2005 04:46 AM

Snicker

See, I have posted my pic on this site before

AND unlike Cindy, I actually have a husband. A loving, talented man who I wouldn't abuse like Cindy has hers.

She's a public figure and as J Rob points out, she's trying to hang on to her 15 minutes anyway she can.

Let's hope she doesn't come back and join these gals (warning, not quite safe for work OR your eyes)


Posted by: Darleen at September 27, 2005 06:26 AM

Yikes! That link is not for the faint of heart!

;)

Posted by: FrauBudgie at September 27, 2005 08:07 AM

AND unlike Cindy, I actually have a husband. A loving, talented man who I wouldn't abuse like Cindy has hers.

Darleen,
now you've entered the universe of ad hominem attack-- which will cost you respect, and hopefully, your audience. If this is how you expect to win over people-- by presuming to know the inner details of an opponent's family life, and by using that as a weapon to discredit her political principles-- well, you've lost me.

It's sad, and you should know better. You've been through a divorce, right? Do you really want to go there?

Shame on you. I don't see any point in reading your blog anymore...it's just purely hateful. There's nothing entertaining or enlightening about it.

Posted by: Brad at September 27, 2005 09:19 AM

WEll, Brad, don't know if you'll be seeing this, since you've promised not to click here any more -- but here goes:

One of Cindy's neighbors reported to LST's that her husband was having chest pain last spring, but was turned away from the ER because Cindy had decided to cancel their insurance because it was tough to afford insurance, and also her anti war activities.

So, maybe the above's a rumor, maybe it's true. You be the judge.

Here's what is true: First, Mother Sheehan glowingly described her family's support for her anti-war activities. Then her hubby decided to divorce her, and her youngest son pleaded with her to come home.

However, it doesn't matter, because she says her dead son's looking down from heaven, smiling at her activities.

And, while she called President Bush's daughters "little party animals," where were her own daughters? Why, in Europe, with intructions to enjoy themselves -- according to an interview by a DailyKoser.

Now, as to whether or not that constitutes abuse, well, again you be the judge of that. But -- if one's marriage is in trouble, the usual recommended course is not to jump in a bus and try to get the President impeached. For that matter, most people prostrate with grief over a dead son don't react by jumping on a bus.

I think she is phoney, and frankly, from the vacuuous look on her face, I think the anti-war crowd's been slipping her drugs.

Unfortunately, her words are also being used on pro-insurgent sites -- you know, the websites that find people to kill soldiers like her son.

Posted by: FrauBudgie at September 27, 2005 09:45 AM

Brad

What are you babbling about? Cindy has abandoned her family and hurt her husband so much he has filed for divorce.

How is my characterizing these known public facts rise to the level of "ad homenim"?

Sure, I've been through a divorce. It's not pretty. And I did it with a heavy heart, but my ex was an alcoholic who chose the bottle over his family.

Cindy's husband gave her the same choice. Her family or her fame. I feel for the guy.

Posted by: Darleen at September 27, 2005 01:03 PM

What a bunch of santimonious bullshit, Brad and Snickers. There is *nothing* respectable about a woman who calls those who murdered her son "Freedom Fighters." Those who focus on murdering women and children "Freedom Fighters." Those who stone women in the streets and make them wear tablecloths "Freedom Fighters."

"Poor grieving woman" my left foot; look at her expression. And her expressions as she's getting uhm...close to Jesse Jackson at the rally. Like a little girl at her sweet sixteen party, with a big crush. yeech.

She and this whole circus remind me of something I read long ago: “When you want the sympathy of the masses, tell them the stupidest and crudest things you can imagine over and over again.” Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) That's what we're watching.

The whole thing is deserving only of mocking and derision. In that spirit, my caption:

Sure-fire credibility destroyers:
Wearing polka-dot panties under white shorts;
Wearing a skirt to an arrest.

Posted by: Claire at September 27, 2005 01:43 PM

Claire, the fact that you can quote Mein Kampf tells me everything I need to know about you.

Posted by: Brad at September 27, 2005 02:23 PM

“When you want the sympathy of the masses, tell them the stupidest and crudest things you can imagine over and over again.” Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

LOL, I think Georgie W. had another way of putting it when he said "ya...ya...ya gotta catupult the propaganda."

There's a nasty little subtext on a lot of the female rightwing sites where they denigrate other women's looks, etc, trying to out-macho the men in their self hatred, a la Lyndie England.....It's the kind of asshatty personality that had Rush, the hillbilly heroin head, calling Chelsea Clinton the White House Dog, back when she was still just a kid. I think it's just part of whatever psychological element draws certain people to a philosophy of "Gimme mine and screw the rest of the world." Republicans just tend to be shitty type of people, and generally have a mean streak as wide as the yellow stripe down their backs.

Posted by: Snicker at September 27, 2005 04:02 PM

Geez, Brad, you think people shouldn't study the philosophies of some of the greatest evils in the world so they can recognize when they raise their heads again?

Oh..I'm sorry, the closet totalitarian in you would rather people NOT be able to recognize the anti-human philosophy of the far Left, eh?

Snicker? Sweetcheeks, I don't see you going to Iraq and strapping on a bombbelt to kill the Americans you so obviously hate...what? Chickenjihadist?

Jaysus on a Pony, scratch a Leftist and watch the sexism, racism and classism erupt from the ostensible "tolerant."

Take a FUCKING CLUE -- as I can judge when a person is/does GOOD (not perfect, just good) so I can judge a person CONTEMPTIBLE for their behavior.

You, Brad and Mommy Sheehan, in your support of those that beheaded Danny Pearl, Nick Berg, shoot Iraqi school teachers, blowup Iraqi innocent civilians, are as indecent and contemptible as they are evil.

Posted by: Darleen at September 27, 2005 08:12 PM

Darleen I have this sense that you consider yourself to have some degree of intelligence. What the HAIL are you talking about sexism, racism and classism? Is that darleenspeak for "you're not allowed to point out any of Darleen's bullshit"? Take a FUCKING CLUE yourself, fatcheeks. You've got some weirdyass dominatrix complex. You're attracted to fascism and militarism and totalitarianism. You just want to be on the side that's doing the torture! There isn't a whit of difference between you and the people you consider evil, except that for you, as a garden variety American chickenhawk, it's all vicarious. Although I do suspect that "sex" you're having somehow involves your lucky husband getting spanked while you and your cellulite waddle around in black leather & chains. What an ass.

Posted by: Snicker at September 28, 2005 02:48 AM

I think you touched a raw nerve, Darleen, and really got these sanctimonious, humorless lefties all riled up. My first thought was that that was the closest a male hand (other than some doped up hippie's) Cindy's had on her thigh in quite a while.

Did you notice the beer-bellied good ol' boy behind "Sherry Glaser, from Mendocino, California." I guess he hasn't seen tits in a while. BTW is Sherry what Anne Coulter would call a "pie wagon?"

Posted by: PatC at September 28, 2005 07:33 AM

Yes, Brad; it tells you that I am educated.

Here's another bite-sized nugget for you: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Georges Santayana
[the philosopher - not the rock group]

Snickers; you forgot "..and your mother dresses you funny. So there. Nyaah!"

Posted by: Claire at September 28, 2005 08:59 AM

"Claire, the fact that you can quote Mein Kampf tells me everything I need to know about you." is one of the most intellectually dishonest comments I have ever seen on a comments page. In addition, the fact it is coming from a person who is not only defending but actually applauding people who are engaging in the activity described in the quote makes it somewhat entertaining.
Brad, I can quote from any number of volumes of work that I find absolutely abhorent. In all likelyhood you can as well unless you really only read that which you agree with.
If Cindy does not want to be ridiculed, then the thing for her to do is stop being ridiculous. She is out seeking ink and air time, pure and simple. She is on public record as being upset that Rita got more press than she did for a couple of days. It is a matter of record that her husband filed for divorce because of her obsessive behavior. If you want to make her a martyr or have your children, hey, knock yourself out. She is a grandstander pure and simple. That is the reason that my blog is a Cindy-Free Zone. When and if she does something of consequence other than trying to get into the news, then I'll mention it. Until then she in nothing but a side note on one post that may or may have scrolled off the page by now.
Personally I would love to see conservative bloggers stop openly reacting to her antics. Even if it means depriving ourselves of the entertainment value of comments like Brad and Snicker's

Posted by: J Rob at September 28, 2005 11:18 AM

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Posted by: killkillkill at September 28, 2005 12:13 PM

Comment deleted by host -- You can attack me. You can say nasty things about each other or public figures. But if you're going to come here and attack either my family or engage in egregious moby-ism with the most blatant of racial stereotypes, I will exercise my right (as this is my blog on my dime) to edit or delete your comments.

Fair warning to the moby. Or any one else.

~~Darleen

Posted by: killlkillkill at September 28, 2005 12:14 PM

Interesting note, that "killer" trying the old moby biz is posting from Australia

hey, kill? the Yoga classes not working out for you?

Posted by: Darleen at September 28, 2005 01:01 PM

Snicker

Let me tell you how not to be boring...when you make a charge -- ie fascism, totalitarianism -- you might like to actually..oh I don't know...substantiate it? You know, maybe quote me or source me how anything I've said is remotely in support of "facism"?

You're like a dirty little boy scribbling "caca" on the fence and thinking it the height of counter-debate.

Did you EVER have to write argumentative essays? Or did your "English" classes consist of a hippiechick teacher telling you your "freeverse" about how you FEEL about your left hand was as wonderful as anything..here's a free "A"

You were socially passed in high school, right?

Posted by: Darleen at September 28, 2005 01:07 PM

Have you seen how viciously the commies have been attacking anyone who criticises Cindy Sheehan or the anti-war protests? The left is like a cult.

Posted by: PatC at September 28, 2005 03:38 PM

Darleen, let's review the 14 common traits of fascist societies:

he 14 characteristics are:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make
constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other
paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on
clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights --
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in
fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in
certain cases because of "need". The people tend to 'look the other
way' or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations,
long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The
people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to
eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious
minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic
problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government
funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected.
Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be
almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional
gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is
homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled
by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly
controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media
spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very
common.
7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational
tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined --
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in
the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric
and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major
tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's
policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business
aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the
government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial
business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor
is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are
either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to
promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia.
It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or
even arrested. Free _expression in the arts is openly attacked, and
governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the
police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are
often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil
liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police
force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes almost always
are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other
to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority
to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in
fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be
appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are
a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear
campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates,
the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district
boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also
typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


Let's see. I've definitely seen you express fervent support for ideas 1-4, 7, and 9-12. And given the ardor of your Bush love, we can certainly presume your devotion to traits 13 and 14, which define this administration. No. 13 especially is on display today. All hail the indictment of Delay! Can Frist be far behind, now that the SEC has subpoenaed his financial records? Oh frabjous day! Halloooo Delay!

Posted by: Snicker at September 28, 2005 04:12 PM

Have you seen how viciously the commies have been attacking anyone who criticises Cindy Sheehan or the anti-war protests?

Ahem...Have YOU recognized how viciously the Rightattacks anyone who criticizes Bush?

Posted by: Brad at September 28, 2005 06:00 PM

Nice little list there but two points: first off, for each you have not presented any substantiation that the US is a fascist state, and two, you have not given any quote of mine that supports your list. You have failed to cite under your two major points.

1) flags as fascist Work with me here. That would make all administrations from Washington to GW, fascist? All organizations, such as Boy/Girl Scout, faternal organizations, all public and private schools that display the flag, fascist? You are claiming that such displays are prima facia evidence of fascism? If NOT then tell me where you believe national pride is appropriate.

Possibly the idea of displays of monogamous commitment, ie wedding rings, are akin to obsession and abuse, seeing how most spousal abusers like displaying their commitment to their wive/husband, right?

2. "Human Rights" disdained. What generalities are you dealing with? Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness are human rights and the enumerated rights under the US Constitution are American rights that are a model for HR around the world. And the US Constitution specifically states that unenumerated rights are the province of the state and, basically, the people. The US Constitution also provides for due process in order to adjudicate disputes. Indeed, the Constitution specifically allows for capital punishment or imprisonment "deprived of life or liberty" as long as due process has been met. The US does not have any policy of torture or summary executions. I have no idea what you mean by "long incarcerations of prisoners." Is that just another unsubstantiated emotional appeal? 'Cuz it wont work with me. In regards to CA: Most convicted criminals due substantially less time then their sentences, and only come close to doing "hard time" when they are tried and judged as habitual/career predators.

3. You mix personal characteristics, ie racial, ethnic, religious with political ideologies ie communism, liberalism. PATENTLY DISHONEST. No where on THIS blog will you find me "scapegoating" any "race" etc. YES I do oppose certain IDEOLOGIES and I specifically explain why. YOU can make general statements about an ideology YOU disagree with (and never substantiate your objections just engage in exercises like this one) and then claim my objection to an IDEOLOGY is the same as being racist? What a wonderful way to attempt to cut off debate by shutting down your opponent with slander. Thank you for yet another clear example of the Left's basic moral bankruptcy.

4. First off, go read the Constitution again. The Government's FIRST responsibility is to "provide for the common defense". THAT is the first, primary function of government. Secondly, you use the weasel word "disproportionate." I know why you used it, because you know the military portion of the US budget BECAUSE National Defense Spending constitutes LESS 20% of the Budget outlays (19.9% for fiscal year 2004, human resouces gets 64.8%..and unlike Snickers blathering I CITE SOURCES And why do you wish to disdain members of the military? Do you also hate your police department? Fire department? EMS? They are all there to save your sorry ass and you think them fascist or those that respect them fascist?

5. Are you claiming Billy Jeff a fascist? I mean, I disagreed with former President Clinton on lots of issues but just cause his administration was demonstrably less "diverse" than GW's I would NEVER label him fascist.

6. And that has either happened here..where? And where have I ever said anything in sympathy with censorship? Again, Snicker, you charge with no citation either in the macro (US) or micro (me).

7. You're condemning FDR now? George Washington? Or maybe even JFK? Pssst. Snicker. Go read JFK's inaugural speech and then see why so many young democrats of that age have moved to the Republican party. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God. Oh boy bet that scared ya out of your tidy whities.

Snicker, I'm going to stop at this point because the rest of your list is more of the same. Generalities that have no basis in today's reality. You seem to be living a paranoids existence, seeing fascists in anyone that disagrees with Noam Chomsky's vision of a syndo-anarchist regime where HE gets to control everyone else. The noble "white man's burden."

A paranoid's fantastic world that ignores in the last election the documented cases of PHYSICAL violence against campaign headquarters and get voters to the polls buses were directed against Republicans.

But when then the Leftard jihadists are as fanatically/religiously committed to their bad values as Islamists

Note to Snicker...I'm challenging IDEOLOGY


Posted by: Darleen at September 28, 2005 06:23 PM

Brad

I read the Swift Boat book. And interestingly, Kerry has not taken one stance to try and refute the long list of specifics cited. Even quietly let the statute of limitations past.

Not like he doesn't have the money to take it to court... Mommy Heinz would gladly write the check.

Posted by: Darleen at September 28, 2005 06:33 PM

Darleen,

Once again you apparently missed my point. I was responding to PatC's sweeping generalization that the Left ('the commies") attack anyone who criticizes Sheehan in a "cult"like fashion, and I cited three separate examples of how the Right behaves in exactly that fashion. The pot calling the kettle black, as it were.

Meanwhile, have I labled you a "Rightard jihadist"?

You say you want "argumentative essays": but your initial post was entirely a cruel personal attack on a woman who lost her son to a war based on lies. You then continued to support your initial joke by saying that Sheehan's own behavior toward her husband justified her being ridiculed...yet, this is not an argument. It's not even a well constructed argument.
It's "caca" on the fence.

Posted by: Brad at September 28, 2005 07:11 PM

You, Brad and Mommy Sheehan, in your support of those that beheaded Danny Pearl, Nick Berg, shoot Iraqi school teachers, blowup Iraqi innocent civilians, are as indecent and contemptible as they are evil.

Explain in an argumentative essay how we support those who beheaded Danny Pearl? I just don't get it. If Sheehan never existed, there would still be 1,919 dead American soldiers.

Enlighten me, please.

Posted by: Brad at September 28, 2005 07:14 PM

It's late. But I'll go the first few for you.

1. Flags. Flags are items, objects, neither good nor bad. They serve a useful function as identification. However, when it drifts into fetishistic worship, when slogans and mottos become confused with the actual practice of patriotism, as we see today with big ass flags draped across gas guzzling SUVs driven by selfish lard butts whose main contribution to America is lifting a beer to Felafel O'Reilly ...well, you get the idea.

2. Surely you've seen the "What happens in Gitmo, stays in Gitmo Tshirts"...I believe the Hillbilly Heroin Head sells them on his website. Without an iota of proof demanded or offered that the practices there are defending Ameriica, the right wing gives every appearance of enjoying the opportunity to indulge in their barely concealed sadistic tendencies. But while you and the Rushbos apologize for US torture, including systematic torture of prisoners overseas, with self validated excuses, perhaps it would be better to listen to Ian Fishback, a West Point grad and Iraq vet whose Letter to Senator McCain appeared in todays WaPo: Some argue that since our actions are not as horrifying as Al Qaeda's, we should not be concerned. When did Al Qaeda become any type of standard by which we measure the morality of the United States? We are America, and our actions should be held to a higher standard, the ideals expressed in documents such as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. But I realize the courage of chickenhawks like yourself contains an arrogance of a higher order, so you can start denigrating the young Captain any second now.

3. Don't be disingenuous and pretend you didn't delight in directing readers to that loathesome "tribe" post a few weeks back. nor that you haven't noticed the demonization of Islam amongst the rightard jihadists. The shallow veneer of "diversity" in this admin makes a nice cover, but the patent insincerity is translucent.

4. We return once again to the delight the chickenhawk mentality takes in fetishizing soldiers...though heaven forfend they ever actually try on the lifestyle themselves. And again, I realize your intelligence is mostly self designated, but don't tell me you are unfamiliar with the Norquistian ideal of starving the federal government of all funding, except that needed for the military, as a means of imposing their Randian social order on all of us, whether we like it or not. Soon enough, we'll have our own Dickensian paradise "Why should I worry about the poor? Are there not armies to employ them?"

7. Fear was THE motivational tool in the last election. In fact, Tom Ridge admitted as much when he said that the terror alerts during the election were not exactly warranted. And miracle of miracles! Since Georgie Porgie got his prize, we've had nary a one. What a coinkydink!....Psst, chubbs, the drivel you were spouting about JFK had nothing to do with this point. Are you capable of concentrating?

I'll get back to you tomorrow with the rest. You really are an incredible loser. What did your social promotion consist of? Goosestepping around the schoolyard? Why don't you give Brad an honest answer and write an actual argumentative essay explaining how anti war Americans supported the beheading of Danny Pearl? And make an actual connection, fatcheeks. Not just the usual hyperbolic spew.

Tomorrow we'll discuss how just exactly that kind of sick dominatrix bullshit is part of your fascist mindset. You want to inhibit the free exchange of opinions by bellowing that the actual exercise of free social rights cannot be allowed as long as we have ...say it with me now.... Islamofascist enemies! (Substitute "Jews" and you've got yourself your very own Church of Goebbels up and running.)

Posted by: Snicker at September 28, 2005 07:54 PM

Snicker/Hrubec/Marathoner/Anon/Etienne

and all your other aka's you are a sorry souless twit. You spew but have not one citation.

No torture has occured at Gitmo, but somehow you think a t-shirt is an authoritative source.

You conveniently skip where I SOURCE the budget outlay for national defense but whine and snivel about "fetishizing soldiers"

And don't even try the mendacious chickhawk thing...AS IF the military were the bastion of good patriotic DEMOCRATS (is THAT why Gore was so busy trying to suppress the military vote?)

I condemn ISLAMISM. It is as to our generation what fascism was to my parents generation.

And you, pseudo-female, lick its balls because its totalitarianism dovetails with your Leftist fantasies.

You are not only indecent but plain creepy.

Either QUOTE ME DIRECT or shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Darleen at September 28, 2005 08:51 PM

I will admit, I didn't at first even know what the Hrubec/Snicker/thingie was talking about when it said "the loathsome tribe post" since it was trying to link it as "proof" of racism.

F in reading comp for it yet again. It was an essay by Bill Whittle dealing with IDEOLOGIES and values. Not a thing about race/ethnicity.

The deliberate confusion of melanin content with IDEAS/VALUES is not innocent.

So what does Hrubec find "loathsome" about the essay? Maybe:

Let’s not talk about Black and White tribes… I know too many pathetic, hateful, racists and more decent, capable and kind people of both colors for that to make any sense at all. Do you not? Do you not know corrupt, ignorant, violent people, both black and white, to cure you of this elementary idiocy? Have you not met and talked and laughed with people who were funny, decent, upright, honest and honorable of every shade so that the very idea of racial politics should just seem like a desperate and divisive and just plain evil tactic to hold power?
I'll take Hrubec's own quote that it finds this loathsome as an authoritative source that it disagrees with the sentiment expressed.

I knew it as possibly anti-Semitic, but a true acolyte of Leftist identity politics...!! How wonderfully revealing.

Posted by: Darleen at September 28, 2005 09:18 PM

Anyways, this Sheehan is obviously on the Lefts Payroll. Does the "B" word ever work??? Or does she just run all over town shouting at the Prez. Is she going to punch Wiah in the nose, like the other Dixie Chick?

I believe this is a calculated effort to prime the public, dumb the public down so Billary has a chance. I Love Bush, But I think they primed Cocaine Head into office and made the nation hate him to ready us for Billary in all her "abortionist" glory to save the day. Meanwhile "The Mighty Gobalist", Bill himself can step into the UN attorny general spot. Therefore Bill will live throung Hillary and his own postition of authority and rule the roost and run the world.

Is Bill the Anti-Christ? Lets wait and see!!!!

Posted by: Verlch at September 28, 2005 09:27 PM

Whoa, the bestiality of the Darleen in flagrante delicto! Got a lot of hostility in there, sweetie, not at all uncommon in dormant goosesteppers, but unhealthy for those of your age and physique.

I will be back to discuss the corporatism , anti-intellectualism and corruption of today's neo-fascists in America....but in the meantime, just to get your blood boiling, thought you'd like to refresh your rather stagnant stereotypes about today's military.

The Iraq Vets planning to run for office in 08, just for starters:
Patrick Murphy running for Congress, PA-08
David Ashe, for Congress VA-02
Tim Dunn, Congress NC-08
Bryan Lentz, Congress PA-07
Tim Walz, Congress MN-01
and the soon to be declared
Paul Hackett, running for Senate in OH, the poster-state for Republican corruption.

Those are the only ones I can remember off the top of my head, though I know there are 3 others, all, not surprisingly, for those not constipated by your stereotypes of "Americanism", running as DEMS.

I'm sure you and your chickenhawking chickenhawks will enjoy swift boating all these men, as the Heroin Hillbilly already tried with Hackett, but the mood in the country has changed in recent months.

This is going to be a most interesting election cycle...a quacking "president" 'who appears increasingly incoherent, gluttonous politicians with absolutely no record of adherence to conservative political values, and indictments, arrests, grand juries galore! Such fun.

Be back later with the balance of your lesson.

Posted by: Snicker at September 29, 2005 03:01 AM

my Tribe – consists not of blacks and whites and gays and Hispanics and Asians, but of individuals who do not rape, murder, or steal. My Tribe consists of people who know that sometimes bad things happen, and that these are an opportunity to show ourselves what we are made of. My people go into burning buildings. My Tribe consists of organizers and self-starters, proud and self-reliant people who do not need to be told what to do in a crisis. My Tribe is not fearless; they are something better. They are courageous. My Tribe is honorable, and decent, and kind, and inventive. My Tribe knows how to give orders, and how to follow them.

Here we have the essence of arrogant conservative self anointed superiority - by another name, known as the Sin of Pride, or by another, Hubris. They are of a higher moral caliber than the rest. They even self anoint themselves with patriotism by managing to concoct some kind of rationality where being American means being of their higher moral order. The fact that this little self congratulatory rant came in the aftermath of hundreds of thousands of black Americans left to fester and die in the streets of an American city apparently was an unintentional irony to this writer.

Now let's take a quick glance at the words of the original Moral Values Conservative Hypocrite, the gambling addict Bill Bennett, the former Republican Secretary of Education, and ubiquitous hate radio guest extraordinaire, who dropped this gem today:

If you wanted to reduce crime, you could - if that were your sole purpose - abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.

Who in the holy hell do you people think you're fooling? Besides your selves.

Posted by: Snicker at September 29, 2005 12:11 PM

Hey Snicker, you want to give a source for that Bill Bennet quote? or would the actual context ruin the argument for you?

Oh, and...
"Here we have the essence of arrogant conservative self anointed superiority - by another name, known as the Sin of Pride, or by another, Hubris. They are of a higher moral caliber than the rest."

I have no qualms whatsoever suggesting that I am somehow "better" than the people whose first response to a disaster is to bust into Walmart and boost TVs and jewelry. And to pre-empt your inevitable cries of "racism", I'm not talking about blacks, or any other group, I am talking about the SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS who actually did this crap.

One of the biggest differences between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives think in terms of individuals, while liberals think only of people as part of whatever group. Thus, attacks on individual thugs is seen as an attack on their entire race. YOU are the one lumping the race into the discussion, whereas I (and in the quote above, Bill Whittle) are talking about people who do good or bad things.

Whittle makes this _explicit_ in the quote you give, but somehow you overlook that.

Incidentally, those thousands of (mostly) blacks were left to "fester and die" by their own (black) Democrat mayor and Democrat governor. Hmmm. Damn those Republicans! The Dems had better watch their "black vote", because a whole lot of black New Orleanians feel betrayed... and not by Bush or FEMA.

(I, incidentally used to live in NOLA, and still know people down there....)

Posted by: Strider at September 29, 2005 08:01 PM

Forgive me Strider, if I choose never again to listen to a conservative sanctimoniously declaim on "the differences between liberals and conservatives".

When y'all are concentrating on the individuals rather than the groups involved in situtations, do you find ways to rationalize to yourselves why the conservatives in the WH feel that one GROUP - hurricane evacuees - should have a 9billion bipartisan health care package blocked but another GROUP - American millionaires - should have their tax cuts made permanent aND an additional 336 billion added on?

The biggest difference I see between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives are the greediest bunch of hypocrites we've ever had in control of this country . (I was going to say "governing" this country, but then remembered they don't believe in that.)_

I don't know the context of Bennetts remarks. He spewed them on his radio show. Of course, he said it wouldn't be in his "moral values" to actually abort all the black babies...but if you think that excuses the essence of his repulsive remarks, then you are one and the same with his disgusting ilk.

Keep dreaming about the black vote being turned by Katrina to vote for the party of Greedy Moral Hypocrites. It's like how the darleenies of the blogosphere think Democrats are becoming desperate now that we have Delay indicted, Larry Franklin pleading guilty and about to sing, Miller out of jail and about to sing, Abramoff indicted and his cronies within the admn beginning to be ARRESTED...yeah tell me some more about the moral superiority of your racist, fascist, criminal conservative party. Goes right up there with darleeny's brilliant theory that Cindy Sheehan is the reason Nick Berg lost his head.

Posted by: Snicker at September 30, 2005 04:28 AM

Hrubec/Snicket/et al

You don't get it do you? If someone has good values and acts on them, then they ARE acting morally superior to someone who does have good values or engages in bad behavior.

The murderer/rapist/looter IS morally inferior to Whittle's VALUE TRIBE. Islamists ARE morally INFERIOR to those who hold Western Civ values. Far Left fanatics who also reject Western Civ values based on INDIVIDUALs are MORALLY INFERIOR.

Not all values are the same, not all cultures are the same, not all moral systems are the same.

You can't source the Bennett "quote"... geez, what a surprise... you don't source a fuckin' thing you claim. Including your ridiculous last statement. Cindy has voiced her support of the MORALLY INFERIOR people who make up the "insurgency" and behead innocent civilians, like Nick Berg.

I find it very revealing that you revile Whittle's essay.

Oh, it just confirmed my suspicions, but now it reveals how morally corrupt rather than just bankrupt you truly are.

You are in love with People --- as a herd to manipulate -- you HATE individuals and want to control their lives on the micro level.

Posted by: Darleen at September 30, 2005 06:26 AM

Darleen, check out all the 24 hour cable. Bennett's quote is ALL OVER today. He said it on his freakin radio show. What more of a "source" do you want?

I know exactly what moral behavior by individuals consists of, you behemoth. It's all around me, every day, the way 99% of all the people I know live their lives - go to work, raise your kids, pay your taxes, blah, blah, blah. By what stupid leap of logic did you appropriate this standard of behavior, which almost all human beings across the earth follow, as the personal property of American conservatives. In my opinion, the gross arrogance of trying to identify exclusively your cult group of arch conservative extremists with this normal standard of human behavior is only one more indication of your moral inferiority, You're an ass, but a hilarious one, and I am going to enjoy watching your ilk twist in the wind these next few months.

Posted by: Snicker at September 30, 2005 06:38 AM

You are in love with People --- as a herd to manipulate -- you HATE individuals and want to control their lives on the micro level.

Oh and what a steaming pile of intellectual horse shit this is. I could give a fig's fart how individuals lead their lives. It's your filthy ilk that's looking to control our lives. Through forcing religion into science curriculum. Through corporate socialism that creates an economy where the only jobs available are Walmart "company store" type jobs - you earn only enough to buy the goods the employer sells you. Through denying women the right to choose. Through forcing war on a population via lies and manipulated intelligence. Through rigging elections and using corrupted electronic vote machines. Through gerrymandering the votes. Through catch-22 falsely named "no child left behind" education that ensures failure for poor kids.

It's not that repubbies hate big government. Helll, their one party rule has created the BIGGEST government we've ever had, with the largest discretionary non-defense spending since LBJ. They LOVE big government - as long as they can use the pork to feed their own fat faces and those of their worthless cronies.

I see individuals very clearly. And the individuals I see like yourself, darleen, appear to be suffering from severe delusions of egotism - that they represent some kind of higher order of humanity, despite their greed, craving to dominate, barely concealed sadism and vicarious fantasies of militaristic glory. I see a most despicable kind of individual, who have managed to form quite a HERD of themselves and deluded themselves into dreams of permanent one party totalitarianism. However, the levees are busting right and left these days. It will be a much prettier kind of picture to watch you all wading in the floods of your own filth, metaphorical refugees of the neocon debacle.

Posted by: Snicker at September 30, 2005 07:02 AM

Here's Bennet's full quote:
"It's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could--if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky."

The Wall Street Journal points something else out:
"But Bennett also has his defenders. One of them is the liberal journalist Matthew Yglesias http://yglesias.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/9/29/16450/9195 :

'Not only is Bennett clearly not advocating a campaign of genocidal abortion against African-Americans, but the empirical claim here is unambiguously true. Similarly, if you aborted all the male fetuses, all those carried by poor women, or all those carried by Southern women, the crime rate would decline. Or, at least, in light of the fact that southern people, poor people, black people, and male people have a much greater propensity to commit crime than do non-southern, non-black, non-poor, or non-male people that would have to be our best guess. The consequences, clearly, would be far-reaching and unpredictable, but the basic demographic and criminological points here can't be seriously disputed.' "

Don't let that get in the way of a good rant, Snicker.

Posted by: Strider at September 30, 2005 04:24 PM

Strider, I've seen what happens when one implies on a rightist blog that southerners are the cause of much of our nation's ills - since they account for most of the poverty,illiteracy, gun violence, domestic violence, unemployment and use of social entitlement money. It seems that , even though statistics prove this point is true, Southerners inexplicably find this perspective offensive...

The implication that there is something inherent in a black fetus that leads to criminality is beyond offensive. It is racism in its purest form. And even without that factor, the statement is so callous, cold and profoundly insensitive that one would have to assume that black human beings have no feelings worth respecting at all. The statement was disgusting, repulsive and extremely revealing of the rightwing mindset.

I am familiar with Yglesias' point and I think he was wrong this time.

Posted by: Snicker at October 1, 2005 03:53 AM

Oh oh oh, Mistah Cahtuh, I just captioned this back at my own blog.

Posted by: Dave Munger at October 1, 2005 05:29 PM

"The implication that there is something inherent in a black fetus that leads to criminality is beyond offensive. It is racism in its purest form."

Agreed. Are you suggesting that this is what Bennett said? It isn't.

Posted by: Strider at October 1, 2005 08:56 PM

Uh, yes, Strider, by his choice of analogy that is EXACTLY what he said. Exactly.

Posted by: Snicker at October 2, 2005 04:19 AM

Well, actually, No.

He was basing the statement on the fact (not opinion) that statistically, and proportionately, blacks commit more crime than members of other groups.

Actually, it goes beyond that. If you were to apply that rule to members of _any_ group, it would probably be a true statement, simply because having vastly fewer people in the world would result in les crime, _in absolute terms_.

As to WHY he made such a comparison at all, again context is everything.

Bennett was taking issue with the hypothesis of a recent book ("Freakonomics") that concluded that crime was down because abortion was up. He was arguing AGAINST the statement, thus the sentence following the one at which you take such umbrage:

"That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations [such as that in "Freakonomics"] are, I think, tricky."

Posted by: Strider at October 2, 2005 10:39 AM

" This is the closest she's gotten to having sex in really long time."

Cheap shot Darleen.

Posted by: Tillman at October 2, 2005 02:12 PM

"No torture has occured at Gitmo" - Darleen

What?!

Posted by: Tillman at October 2, 2005 02:45 PM