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August 18, 2005
'Mother' Marionette and anti-Semitism
Is Ms. Sheehan sobering a up a bit and realizing that the bored media that has been feeding her media addiction may have revealed a bit more than what she wanted? I'm not speaking of just the continued evidence of her shattered personal life but of the eyebrow raising and creepily judanhass statements, both written and spoken, by Ms. Sheehan about Israel.
Her ardent supporters/users have defended and applauded her words. Others, possibly naïve, ask why "criticizing the government Israel is considered 'anti-Semitic'?".
However, Ms. Sheehan did not criticize the "government of Israel", she criticized the nation of Israel. She, complicit or not, parrots the anti-Semitic ranting of many members of the far-Left and far-Right who have tried to make their disgust with Jews more acceptable by fig leafing it in "anti-Israel" rhetoric.
Just what else does Ms. Sheehan's mean saying, "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel." than that hoary canard about Jews and "dual loyalty?" Just what other meaning are we to take when Ms. Sheehan states to enthusiastic applause "Israel out of Palestine" than the position that Israel has no right to exist and all problems in the Middle East would cease once the state of Israel does?
Certainly, these have been the sentiments and oft expressed feelings of the cults that have feted her. From the first ANSWER "anti-war" marches to present, the "anti-Israel" contingent has been omnipresent, including outright Jew-hatred. Even when Leftist Jewish Michael L , that the judanhass rhetoric needed to be toned down, the reaction was to get rid of Michael.
As Sharansky so eloquently states: The nation of Israel has become the World's Jew.
Despite the differences between them, however, anti-Americanism in the Islamic world and anti-Americanism in Europe are in fact linked, and both bear an uncanny resemblance to anti-Semitism. It is, after all, with some reason that the United States is loathed and feared by the despots and fundamentalists of the Islamic world as well as by many Europeans.I shall not endeavor to explain or examine the question of why Jewish history is so rife with the Jewish people being the object of the irrational and many times genocidal hatred of others. Suffice it to say from Ester to Hamas, people looking for a scapegoat for their own failures have looked to the non-threatening and peaceful Jewish people as "easy pickings."
Blaming Israel for Islamist terrorism is akin to blaming a woman who is gang-raped on her front porch.
Well, then, we are speaking of Islamism, an ideology that executes women for BEING rape victims.
Irony, these are the people Ms. Sheehan tacitly supports, the people who did kill her son.
Sometimes it is a badge of honor to be hated and considering the "morality" and "character" of those that hate Jews and support the movement to annihilate the nation of Israel, I'm proud to declare my support for Israel.
UPDATE The ever-changing story on 'Mother's' email and anti-Israel statements.
Posted by Darleen at August 18, 2005 06:31 AM
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From a CNN interview with Anderson Cooper:
COOPER: You were also quoted as saying, "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism." How responsible do you believe Israel is for the amount of terrorism in the world?
SHEEHAN: I didn't say that.
COOPER: You didn't say that? OK.
SHEEHAN: I didn't -- I didn't say -- I didn't say that my son died for Israel. I've never said that. I saw somebody wrote that and it wasn't my words. Those aren't even words that I would say.
I do believe that the Palestinian issue is a hot issue that needs to be solved and it needs to be more fair and equitable but I never said my son died for Israel.
More about that here in her web log.
Posted by: Brad at August 18, 2005 07:31 AM
and further to your comments, Darleen: you persist with conflating any criticism of the Israelis with anti-Semitism. No one on the Left that I know is anti-Semitic. I'd like to see some proof that Leftist spokespeople are anti-Semitic-- by proof, I mean actual published statements that show a hatred for the Jews as a race. The problem with Israel is with the Israeli government's treatment of Palestinians. Do you not acknowledge that Gaza was occupied by Israel -- in violation of international treaties? That Palestinians are treated as second class citizens? And don't give me this "they forfeit their rights when they blow themselves up" attitude -- the vast majority of Palestinians are not suicide bombers. To think that they are-- and that all Arabs are all full of hatred and intolerance-- is another kind of racism.
Posted by: Brad at August 18, 2005 07:43 AM
Israel takes an unfair share of criticism from her critics. If Israel was an Islamic country, they'd be heroes to the Noam Chomsky left. But since they're Jooooooos, and they're fighting Islamic terrorists, they're the "bad guys."
Whenever Israel fights back against terrorists, they're criticized and seen as terrorists. But when Palestinians kill innocent Israelis, it's never called terrorism. Some even consider the suicide bombers freedom fighters. I can't even remember a time when Chomsky (for example) critized these suicide attacks, let alone with with as much venom as he attacks Israel.
Most times it seems those on the anti-Israel side will only be happy when Israel is totally destroyed and all Israelis are dead.
Posted by: Ellie Dee at August 18, 2005 08:34 AM
Most times it seems those on the anti-Israel side will only be happy when Israel is totally destroyed and all Israelis are dead.
Such absurd hyperbole, Ellie! No, you're completely out of your senses with statements like that.
Chomsky has most certainly condemned suicide bombings. Here's what he said in a 2002 interview:
Chomsky: Those who defend suicide bombing, and there are very few, don't have a leg to stand on. Those who defend the Israeli atrocities, including the U.S. government, most intellectual opinion, a good bit of the West generally, they don't have a leg to stand on either and they have a much weaker position.
And while I don't think Chomsky (who is Jewish, by the way) represents the Left (anymore than, say David Horowitz or Ann Coulter represents the Right) your statements about anti-Israeli sentiment ("they'd be heroes") are typical of what gets attributed to Cindy Sheehan and others who are protesting the Bush administration. It's a smear tactic: if you aren't fully in support of the administration and of Israel, then you are in the same camp as the terrorists . It's ridiculous, it's narrow-minded and lacking all sense of perspective. There are more than two sides here.
Posted by: Brad at August 18, 2005 09:03 AM
But why are Palestinian suicide bombers never called terrorists? It's always militants, or some other euphemism.
If terrorism happens anywhere in the world, other than Israel, it's terrorism, but it's never called terrorism when it happens against Israel.
And Chomsky's statement is laughable. It's typical, spend a half sentence on saying 'Yeah, the suicide bombers are bad, BUT..." then spend two pages on why it's okay, because Israel did this, that or the other.
Like I say, until people like him attack the suicide bombers with as much venom as he attacks Israelis, I have no reason to take his condemnation seriously.
Also, where is Amnesty International, and like minded orgs, to report atrocities committed by Palestine? They have beaucoups of info of so-called atrocities done by Israel, but yet turn a blind eye to people who would kill Israeli women and children, for the only offense of being Israeli.
If Israel ever gets nuked by a country, you can bet the UN and their ilk will tell Israel to stand down, don't fight back, just take it. Because in their eyes Israel can do no right, and Palestine (or any other Islamic country) can do no wrong.
Posted by: Ellie Dee at August 18, 2005 09:16 AM
I know Brad hasn't replied, but I do want to make one last comment on this issue before I STFU.
I admit to being 110% pro-Israel. That is something I'll proudly say without shame.
My major problem is people who are 110% pro-Palestine but try to cover it up with "I have a balanced opinion on the issue" when they obviously don't.
That isn't a slam against just Brad, but against those as whole who continue to slag Israel, give Palestine a free ride, then claim to be objective.
I make no claims of objectivity. None whatsoever. I'm completely biased and feel no shame in admitting that. I just wish some of those on the other side would admit the same thing.
Posted by: Ellie Dee at August 18, 2005 09:56 AM
- Goodness Brad. You seem to think that when your party and its extreme elements, support and nuture America's enemies; When your peergroup engage in all manners of collaboration with murderers and thugs; When you denegrate America's laws and morality and attack every semblence of religious propriety and alienate the majority of the constituency, that somehow you should not expect those same Americans to fight back and kick your liberal ass.
Well part of it is understandable, coming from a gaggle of rag-tag, dysfunctional birdbrains that cannot seperate their personal issues from their politics....
But listening to an insufferably hypocritical lecture from a memeber of the same party, the Democrats, who established the KKK in 1866, I find your whiny pouty-face comments less than compelling.
On the other hand maybe that does give you a certain expertise in anti-semetic activism and bigotry, along with your obvious hatred for your fellow Americans, many of which are jooooooooossss. Dork.
Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at August 18, 2005 12:55 PM
- More to the topic it doesn't really matter what the hell Sheehan says about what her son thought or believed. What he believed in has been well documented from his own words and by the family, and one very embarrissing fact is he was at complete odds with his mothers marxist ideals and left wing politics...
- In another regard, apparently killing is only permissable if you're a left wing Liberal. To quote a line from her own mouth:
"[sic]....Sheehan recently said she only seemed calm "because if I started hitting something, I wouldn't stop 'til it was dead." Yes Brad...it's a wonder Bush won't meet with her.
Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at August 18, 2005 01:38 PM
- Update: Cindy Sheehan has reportedly vacated the lunitic left encampment in Crawford. The reason given is a recent stroke suffered by her mother. Coming just at a time when the MSM press was showing signs of becoming bored with the lack of any real "news", and her statements about her displeasure with the actions of several of the wingnut groups on her behalf, I'm a bit dubious. But if its true I can certainly feel compassion for the poor mis-guided woman.
Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at August 18, 2005 02:42 PM
It's funny. I'm a New Yorker. Lived and worked with Jews in my schools, neighborhoods and employment all my life. You can NOT find a more liberal, reliably Democratic voting bloc in America than Jews. Wonder how all the Darleens who search so endlessly for new ways to slander anyone of an alternate point of view explains that.
The Israel issue is a difficult one and one ALL Americans have every right to their own opinions about. We are Americans, not Israelis. And not - except for the brainwashed Foxians among us -j robotic clones who are forbidden to analyze and re-evaluate our own foreign policy.
Hey, Darleen, I'm thinking YOU"RE the one whose obsessed. You really can't lay off this woman can you? A woman who has done nothing to your beloved king, only used her free speech rights. Take a minute and explain: WHAT ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF HER FOR THAT YOU MUST CONSTANTLY SLANDER HER? If she's such an insignificant nothing, leave her the hell alone.
Posted by: Hrubec at August 18, 2005 05:04 PM
I would be amiss if I didn't remind Darleen's robots that "Mother" Sheehan was a label suggested by ONE (of thousands) of posters at Kos, a person howled at and derided as a troll by all those who responded to the post. It is nothing but one crackpot's ideas, whipped up by the dishonest Darleen and spread amongst her elitist cotillions as a new way of falsely disparaging this woman they are (for some incomprehensible reason) incredibly frightened and intimidated by.
Darleen, just like druggie Rush and sexfiend O'Reilly and gambling addict Bennett and all the divorcees and closet gays in the Repub party who lecture others on morality, you can't sit on your high horse if you have no moral standards yourself.
Posted by: Hrubec at August 18, 2005 05:08 PM
Whore-beak - give it a rest. You're yammering diatribe is old news, more suited for the 1920's, when pinko totalitarian platitudes were all the rage. In case you havn't been dragged into the 21st century yet, high speed communications was the kiss of death for the old Marxist trick of using the forth estate to gain what you can't get through the ballot box. For a time the left wing-nuts have had a field day using an activist court to do their underhanded bidding. Sone that will end too. The country listened to your anti- American rhetoric in 2004 and handed you your termination notice. Maybe someone forgot to tell you.
Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at August 18, 2005 08:09 PM
Hrubec
I'd watch those demographics about "liberal" Jews
There is a difference between self-identified "ethnic" Jews who no longer practice their religion and those who are practicing Jews in Conservative or Orthodox synagogues.
BTW... maybe you should look up the definition of "slander"
It doesn't INCLUDE repeating back a person's own statements.
'Mother' Marionette spoke at a Lynne Stewart rally... THAT my dear is enough to condemn her out of hand as at the very least being a puppet of the Islamist supporting Left.
Posted by: Darleen at August 19, 2005 09:35 AM
Yes, my dear Darleen, there are different sects of Jews. My cousins live in Williamsburg, Brooklyn in the Clemente Houses shared equaly by Hispanic New Yorkers and Orthodox Jews. They represent a distinct minority of American Jews. What you're apparently saying is if people don't practice extreme orthodoxy they are not Jews? What of all my friends and neighbors who go to synagogue, whose kids' bar/bas mitvahs I attend? The ones who I worked side by side with last summer trying to save our democracy? They aren't Jewish enough for you?
There are a lot of gaps in your understanding Darleen. You only want to have your viewpoints reinforced. Try having a conversation with your average American Jew - practicing his religion and voting for Democrats. Tell THEM why we are only allowed to have ONE opinion on the state of Israel vis a vis US foreign policy. When they realize you're actually serious, maybe you'll learn something.
Since Big Bang Hunter here represents the level of discourse you endorse, my guess is such a conversation would be impossible.
Posted by: Hrubec at August 19, 2005 10:04 AM
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What makes you think that the upper part of the East Coast is the be-all, end-all of American Jews?
And being a "Democrat" doesn't translate as being on board with the anti-Israel/anti-Semitic rantings of LEFTISTS.
Dennis Prager is a practicing Jew who WAS a life-long Democrat, a JFK Democrat.
That party doesn't exist anymore.
Now it's a collection of GROUPS dedicated to GROUP interests and eschewing the rights of individuals... Kelo anyone? Affirmative action?
As long as the moderate, SANE Dems allow Dean the Scream, Uncle Teddy and MoveOn "own" the party and set the anti-American agenda with the complicity of the so-called "mainstream" media, the more the votes will slip away. The ONLY hope they have IS the MSM continuing in their 'framing' of every event..from lying about the economy to hiding the truth about 'Mother' Marionette -- and hoping to keep most people unaware of the checks on the MSM from the Internet.
Posted by: Darleen at August 19, 2005 11:38 AM
Darleen, did you really mean to write "hiding the truth"? You meant, "distorting the truth," didn't you?
Are there any SANE Republicans anymore, or just hypocritical Right Wingers like Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin who frame the pro-Bush arguments parroted on all the Winger blogs?
Posted by: Brad at August 19, 2005 05:42 PM
Utterly hilarious, Brad, you're right. This woman thinks the problem is the dreaded "msm" framing events...They persist in their persecution complex that the left controls the media - the same media that laid down and printed every admin lie leading up to this war, the same media that has FoxNews as a propaganda wing of the repub party (a true media first - and headlined by felafel Bill Oreilly), that has Scarborough and Dobbs and that bowtie moron and every other brand of conservative on it every time you switch the channel, the same media that boasts about its hate radio monsters like Rush (calling an Iraq vet a "staff puke" and saying Sheehan losing her kid is nothing since "we all lose things"), the pschotic Savage, the Joe McCarthy worshippng Coulter (who still thinks heroin chic is in, and Lord, if her fans only knew her SLUTTY lifestyle), and lovely little self loating Malkin who thinks that locking up innocent Japanese civilians in WWII was our finest moment (not that Filipinos despise the Japanese or anything - she's just a heroic truth speaker).
You've got the dregs of the world preaching your cause Darleen, the absolute dregs.
I love when the rightwing tries to pin Kelo on the left. Does Darleen have AMNESIA about how her dear Shrub STOLE the land from Texans to build the Ranger Stadium - using taxpayer money and eminent domain to continue his quest to make sure rich millionaire bonus babies like himself NEVER pay an honest bill themselves. You never heard Bush speak out against Kelo, Darleen - because he AGREES with it. He has BENEFITED from just the same principle. Too bad he ran the Rangers into the ground, just like every business his daddy bought him, until he turned his Dennis the Menace energies on our poor nation.
The left wants to take away individual rights and the right is here to protect them? No thanks, honey. I don't want any autocratic corporatists protecting my rights. It's a bit like having a convicted robber housesitting while I go on vacation. The REpub indictments of governors keep rolling in - firstOhio, soon Kentucky, and just WAIT til Fitzgerald is done!
You should try and remember the Repub party is also nothing but a collection of GROUPS - I know mostly RICH Repubs and they thoroughly despise the trailer type evangelicals and yahoos they have to court. They gladly dangle homophobia and religious bigotry in front of their uneducated noses, USING their votes to keep defrauding them, and LAUGHING all the way to the bank.
Yes, I know the Northeast is not all of America. Too bad. If it was, then ALL of America could enjoy our high standard of living, high per capita income (the one that subsidizes you red state welfare folk), low gun violence rate, low murder rate, low teen pregnancy rate, low divorce rate, high educational level, improving environmental condition and our general enjoyment of the benefits of living in an enlightened, liberal, modern democracy....complete with verifiable paper trail votiing. I'm sorry so many Repubs have to live in the kind of feudal situations they do, but it seems they are proud of it. I just need to keep their race to the middle ages out of my kid's future.
Posted by: Hrubec at August 20, 2005 02:35 AM
No Whore-beak.... Its very fortunate for America that only a tiny frsvtion of We American joooossss are like you. From reading your antiquated and pethetic attemps to push the shopworn Marxist canon, you look like a neighborhood butcher leading a PETA rally. The leftist cabal is Uber racist and anti-semetic, and the meer fact that that apparently escapes you, moves you off the debate radar scope. You toss jewish words and terms around in oder to gain some sort of ligitamacy and then destroy it immediately by pandering to those that are clearly against Isreals survival and supportive of the Jihadist/Hamas/PLO/Muslim brotherhood groups that would "Eradicate the Jewish people and push all of Isreal into the sea". Personally I'm ashamed you're a jew. Idiot
Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at August 21, 2005 10:09 AM
Uh, Big Bang, I'm not a Jew. Can you read? You really sound like a colossal moron. Do you even know what "Marxist canon" is? I mean, I don't really, aside from the summary we got in 10th grade History. You've been trained like a mindless animal to spout certain insults, without knowing the first thing about what you're calling people.
I'm sure Darleen is glad to have you here. You're the only one willing to stand up for your side's indefensible point of view. And you do it proud - exposing it as total nonsense regurgitated by trained seals.
Posted by: Hrubec at August 22, 2005 03:30 AM
Yes.... everything conservative and balanced and sensible, to an anti-American Libtard like yourself, is nonsense. Just like your efforts to foment class warfare, which if you were awake in the 10th grade, is the hallmark of the Marxist agenda, along with redistribution of the wealth, all things you have made a point of supporting. And I'm not surprised at all you're not jewish. Only a leftist birdbrain would support the anti-semites on the left if he was a jew. Of course that doesn't stop your yammering like some sort of expert in the matter. Dork
Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at August 22, 2005 04:21 PM
Big Bang, the only explanation I can think of for your style of writing is a. )You live in a town of about 200 people and have never passed the townline and/or b.) You are about 12 years old and have a really mean daddy.
Posted by: Hrubec at August 22, 2005 04:56 PM
- adhominem attacks - the last bastion of scoundrels and braindead Liberals with nothing to say.....Sorry Whorebeak. the oly 12 year olds around here are leftist wingnuts siffering from arrested development and naive enough to think the old saws still work. You need a new act and set of talking points badly....
Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at August 23, 2005 06:01 PM
Ad hominem attacks? Errrr, "Big" Bang, have you read through any of your posts? You can't go five words without an ad hominem attack. In fact, your posts contain no substance, and are merely colorful pastiches (look it up) of ad hominem attacks.
See, I know your puppet masters feed phrases like "ad hominem attack" and "class warfare" and "Marxist canon" and "Libtards" into the top of your helmet every night. I understand that since you can't think at all for yourself that you have no choice but to regurgitate all these phrases, usually silmultaneously. You do produce some comic masterpieces though, when you come down on another for "ad hominem attacks". Without ad hominem attacks, you wouldn't have a single word to write.
Posted by: Hrubec at August 24, 2005 03:57 AM
Ohhhhh .... "Puppet Masters".... widdle Hru-bent learned a big new word... Lets give him/her a gold star and a lollipop. A few more phrases like that and someone could actually confuse "it" with an adult. In the means time Hrubbie, as I posted elsewhere, you're pravaricating weasle LurchKerry lied and got his ass kicked by the electorate. All your dissembling BS will never be able to change that. I hope its eating you alive that you're party is powerless and impedent. Just think. Unless Hillery can lie her way into office, you maye be facing several generations in the political wilderness. Bon' appitite
Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at August 24, 2005 03:31 PM
Brad said: "The problem with Israel is with the Israeli government's treatment of Palestinians."
Perhaps the best evidence of the left's bias is the double standard it applies to Israel. The Arabs demonize "the Jewish race" with endless repetitions and permutations of the blood libel, including month-long TV dramatizations. They openly call for the eradication of Israel and rejoice in the murder of Jews anywhere in the world. They murder women and children, and revel in it. They were doing it long before Israel existed, in desire to eliminate "uppity" Jews who didn't know their place. Israel seized the West Bank and Gaza in the Six Days War, when its neighbors were preparing for a war of annihilation. These neighbors continue to threaten Israel, and yet somehow all these facts get ignored and we are supposed to demonize Israel for continuing to fight back. Sadly, it has become clear that the only Israeli defense policy that much of the left will accept is a policy of surrender and suicide. Strange that the left has allied itself with the most medieval, intolerant and fascistic elements in the Middle East.
Posted by: pst314 at August 27, 2005 05:19 PM