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March 23, 2005

Let's keep in mind as Terri is sacrificed

in the name of eugenics, this is not just a case where her feeding tube was pulled ...

it is forbidden by the court that she receive any food or water BY MOUTH

Posted by Darleen at March 23, 2005 06:45 AM

Comments

Why is that a shock?

Posted by: Mieke at March 23, 2005 11:26 AM

Mieke

Guess what we do to people who deliberately withold food and water from animals?

This has gone from allowing a terminally ill person or one hooked up to life support machines being disconnected to die naturally to PROACTIVELY "putting down" a human being who eugenically doesn't fit someone's definition of personhood.

I can't begin to tell you how horrifying that is. Severly autistic adults and children sometimes have to be fed by mouth by a care giver. Do you think it ok these human beings should be starved to death? How about sufferers of cerebral palsey?

Mieke, are you going to volunteer to sit on the eugenics board and decide --- not LIFE or DEATH -- but where "personhood" begins and how best to "eliminate" those that doen't match your definition?

Posted by: Darleen at March 23, 2005 12:36 PM

Darleen,
That's what doctors are for, and doctors have ruled that Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state. This is not a slippery slope case.

Posted by: Brad at March 23, 2005 01:49 PM

OH PLEASE! I can't even argue with "reasoning" like this. Apples and oranges.

Posted by: Mieke at March 23, 2005 02:23 PM

This is like a highschool assembly where one person starts clapping real slow hoping it will catch on ... but then it doesn't.

Except Darleen keeps clapping. eugenics. eugenics. eugenics. This is not the end of the world. Doctors face life and death decisions every day. That's why they receive a cumulative 23 years of education minimally.

This is not the first case in the nation to go this route. There is legal precedent. Tell me what political reason is raising this ballyhoo now and then maybe the nazi stuff will make a little more sense.

Posted by: Inconseq at March 23, 2005 02:41 PM

The reason this is raising a ballyhoo is because the blood relatives of Terri do not want her starved to death and do not believe that she is in a PVS state. Since there is a neurologist and several nurses that say she isn't, then that should be enough to at least do more tests to see.
The parents have a right to be angry at Michael who won a settlement and then refused to use any of the money to rehabilitate her.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at March 23, 2005 04:14 PM

Brad

If you think doctors are onimpotent or do not have their own agendas then you have not been paying attention... from Kevorkian to Cranford to Mengele, the historical record is full of doctors who through their own sense of superiority assert that THEY KNOW how best to improve the human stock.

PVS is notoriously difficult to diagnosis. 43% error rate directly tied to how long an evaluator spends with the patient.

Cranford spent 45 minutes with Terri.

Felons on Death Row get a better shake in the judicial process than Terri ever did.

This IS a case of eugenics ... the idea that even if a person is not braindead, terminally ill or actually dying ... that some people just are too much of a burden to allow to live even in the limited capacity.

Posted by: Darleen at March 23, 2005 05:58 PM

Mieke

I hope you're shocked enough to look at what's going on ... this is not apples and oranges, this is PARENTS who are willing to take in and care for their CHILD having to stand by and watch her "put down" with more cruelty than we allow for "putting down" dying animals.

Parents of institutionalized autistic children/down's syndrome children ought to be very concerned.

ALL parents ought to be very concerned.

Posted by: Darleen at March 23, 2005 06:00 PM

The way I see this coming out is I expect the SC to pass because they lack the jurisdiction to re-insert the feeding tube which congress did not ask them to do, but which they would obviously have to do, in order for her to remain alive while they did the requested "Neuvo review" of all the merits of the entire case. So what I expect is for Jeb Bush to issue an executive order directing the state DA to open a possible abuse of constitutional rights and take Terri into custody as a material witness, and if neccessary use the state marshalls to enforce that order. Once they have her in custody in another facility, they can resume the feeding while the writs are filed with the courts and the merits are heard. Same thing that has happened in several other instances where the federation of states perceived that a citizen was being denied their 14th amendment rights. This could also open open the whole question of the "events" leading up to her present condition, which could put the spotlight on the actions of her husband. Regardless of how it comes out for Terri in the end, she'll have her day in court. There is a groundswell of people who have finally gotten up to speed on all the ins and outs of this case that wonder why the husband is so damn adament about getting her dead as soon as he can. Most interesting of all is the fact that he has ordered she be cremated with no autopsy allowed. The question is, who would be hurt if he just turned her over to her parents to do for their child whatever they saw fit. Some think the last thing he wants is for her to be able to speak eventually with therupy. You be the judge......

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at March 23, 2005 10:09 PM

Darleen,

What source article or reference material did you use for this posting.

I would appreciate it.

Thanx

Posted by: fiery celt at March 24, 2005 10:07 AM

Darleen, the animated corpse of Ms. Schiavo can't swallow. Puting water in her mouth would drown her.

Posted by: Don Myers at March 25, 2005 04:21 AM