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December 13, 2004

Gynophobic ideology

I've noted before the unholy alliance between Leftists like A.N.S.W.E.R. and Islamist organizations. No "anti-war" march would be complete without the Islamists called for the annihilation of Israel and the Leftists apologizing for them saying they are just "venting" because as we all know Israel is at fault for the trouble in the Middle East. If only Israel wouldn't [antagonize, humiliate, 'oppress'] poor "Palestinians", then all would be butterflies, kittens and balloons throughout the world.

Of course, I don't think the Islamist who was sawing off Theo Van Gogh's head in the middle of the street as he screamed was thinking about "poor Palestinians." I don't think the Islamists thwarted in their effort to blow up Amsterdam's redlight district were thinking about the Israeli "violations of non-Jew rights."

Blaming Israel for the attacks against them is like blaming a woman for being raped. Though, for Islamists, that is the "logic" of their ideology. Women are to blame when they are attacked by males. Women are not even really people in Islamist theocracies. The Islamist male is so scared of females, and especially female sexuality, they set up ever more elaborate ways to subjugate half their population into property -- mere sperm-receiving vessels. Azar Nafisi's memoir Reading Lolita in Tehran is a poignant and chilling read on the devolution of a modern society into the worst aspects of the 6th century. And illustrative of this woman-hating ideology and its effect on women in it can be found with this account

Sexual harassment doesn’t happen to modest proper young women; it happens to girls who are asking for it. Provoking it. Being provocative. Covering yourself up completely is an indication that you do not welcome such advances.

“The chador protects women from harm,” reads a massive mural on the sidewall of a state building. On it is a painting of a woman covered in a black veil, the chador, with heavenly light covering her face and surrounding her, white doves circling her. ...

I’m walking down Enqelab Street, covered from head to toe in the black chador. Both of my hands are preoccupied in trying to hold it and keep it from falling. I have no shape inside it; I’m just a black blob. Black makes you invisible: a part of space, a lack of matter. That’s why the chador is black. ...

I am walking, wrapped inside the protective blackness of invisibility. A man walking past me ‘accidentally’ hits me in the chest with his elbow. A few minutes later, another man walking by commits the same ‘accident.’ Trying to convince myself of the accidental nature of these occurrences while I stop to buy some green lettuce, I suddenly feel grabbed from behind.

Frozen.

Voiceless.

And invisible.

This is the barbaric culture we are told we must accomodate? That we must turn our backs on Israel in order to keep them happy?

I.don't.think.so.

[hattip to Fay who posted the link here]

Posted by Darleen at December 13, 2004 08:09 AM

Comments

"Suspected arsonists set an Islamic elementary school on fire Tuesday amid a string of attacks following the killing of a Dutch filmmaker by an alleged Islamic extremist."
It is painfully obvious that the terrorism was in all likelihood motivated by the murder.

Notice that the article mentions possible motive in the first paragraph (when the terrorism is directed at Muslims), in the American media most articles and TV news reports never get around to mentioning motives when the terrorism is directed at Americans.

AGAIN this article is an example of two wrongs. Does the murder of the Dutch filmmaker make the arson attacks OK? No. Does the attacks mean we can not condemn the murder of Theo Van Gogh? No, saying the murder of Van Gogh was wrong would not be "justifying" the attacks. (you REFUSE to see this when it comes to the 9/11 attacks) Do you deny that the attacks on a half-dozen Muslim sites are motivated by the Van Gogh murder? And it doesn't make the arson attacks OK.

And I notice how you slide from denying what the 9/11 motives are to complaining that the greivances are not legitimate. There are too seperate issues that you seem unwilling to admit.

Have you ever researched the history of Zionism? The father of Zionism plotted to remove people from their land because of their religion in order to set up an "ethnically pure" state. Do you seriously not know the history? The Zionist agenda is of ethnic cleansing and racism and that goes back its beginnings. The father of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, plotted the removal of the Palestinians as early as 1895.

In 1919, President Wilson's King-Crane Commission reported that ' the Zionists looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine ' and estimated that the latter - ' nearly nine-tenths of the whole ' - are ' emphatically against the entire Zionist programme '. history

Posted by: Tom Murphy at December 13, 2004 10:34 AM

- Tom.... When you try to "project" ignaramous ideas like the paranoia of Herzi Zionism "reborn" into the modern Islamic Fascist landscape, using terms like ethnic cleansing and racism, two items that are fundemental to the Jihadists credo, you expose yourself as a propagandizing leftist asshat. This specious anti-semetic garbage didn't work for Hitler and it won't work for you and your Marxist friends....

- Next you'll be spouting Hagelenian "proofs" of collectivism. Get your brian cells out of your theoretical ass and look around you. Learn a bit about human nature and you might just begin to bring something to the party instead of mimicking worn out liberal screeds....

- As Ann "The Human Nuke" Coulter said...."If it wasn't for America's war on Jihadist terrorism the left would hate Muslims"....

- And while you're at it read my response to your yammering jibberish in Darleen's previous post....

- Lets see if we can sum up the present Lefturd positions on things:

- It is good to support murdering thugs who kidnap and cut off the heads of civilians when people refuse to pay their ransom demands...

- It is good to support thugs who pronounce themselves as religious leaders and practice absolute political and religious intolorance...

- It is good to be against America in defending itself and lie about our motives for doing so, even though we wouldn't be in Iraq at all if four of our Airliners hadn't been used as flying missiles to slaughter 3000 of our innocent citizens. That was a plot carried off by the CIA and Pentagon just to give us an excuse to start a war on the peace loving Muslim world....

- It makes sense for the liberals to be aligned with Jihadist Fascism, who's stated purpose is the destruction of every living man, woman, and child who is not a Muslim....

- It is good to be supportive of a sect that preaches the beating, rape, and subjegation of woman....

- Everything America does is based on averice, greed, brutality, destruction, racism, and hate....

- Everything that America has ever done to free oppressed people and liberate them from totalitarian rule has been distorted in some way and is a lie perpetrated by Zionist's so we can steal their wealth or oil....

- The UN is an honest, principled, bi-partisan organization that does everything in its power to insure peace and freedom throughout the world....

- The ACLU is a bi-partisan organization which practices un-biased fair representation of everyone through the courts, particularly the 9th circuit, which rules strictly on the law as writen and never "interprets"....

- President Bush and his Admin are "neocon" Fascists that want to take away all your rights and oppress all Americans except a small cadre of conservatives....

- America will only be happy and free when the Government takes care of every need from cradle to grave and everything is socialized and homoginized and any semblance of individuality is erased from our lives....

- Its inhuman brutality of the worst sort to condemn people to death that are proven murderers but its okey for a wookette moonbat to bogie on down to the local "planned parenthood" clinic and have a Doctor drill out the head of the baby shes carrying so her enlightened "progressive" asshat boyfriend won't dump her.....

- Anytime a liberal losses an election it was rigged. Conservatives do everything they can to "steal" elections. Liberals never do anything underhanded, attack political headquarters, "game" exit polls, or stage phony protests to try to change the results ...

- Men and women who fight in our miltary forces are all stupid suckers who are brainwashed by war mongering hawks in our government....

- Our Public school system should only teach liberalism and other totalitarian based idea's such as Darwinism. Religion is a dangerous tool used by the government and churches to brainwash the masses and suppress them....

- The United States of America was not founded on Christian-Jadao faith and beliefs and the Constitution says that no mention of God or religious Icons are allowed in government places....

- Human values don't mean anything and are a tool of Religious organizations for the purpose of suppressing the masses....

- Freedom of speech, religious freedom and tolorance, and political determinism are only good ideas as long as they support and agree with liberal/Socialist/Marxist/Communist ideologies....

- Most of the World and main stream Amercan media are fair and balanced and never distort or do things unethical or show partisan bias...

- Saddom Hussein is a humanitarian who just wants the best for his people and is terribly missunderstood. Same for Usama Bin Laden, Kofi Annan, Molosivic, and Chirac....

- Does that about sum it up?....

- Personally I'd rather defend Scott Petersen than the dim witted platform you moonies have built for yourselves. America spoke a few weeks ago and told you loud and clear your ideas, candidates, and positions stink..... get it?

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at December 13, 2004 04:08 PM


When you try to "project" ignaramous ideas like the paranoia of Herzi Zionism

what the hell are you talking about? Have you ever considered educating yourself? Seriously, what you are doing is off the wall. what is your agenda? The father of Zionism plotted to remove non-Jews from Palestine, to have them "spirited across the border" and he deviously planned to deny them return. This is in the late 1800's, do you deny history? The father of Zionism is mentioned by name in the Israeli declaration of statehood. Do you deny it?

What is your deal denying the Zionist agenda? Zionists murdered Jews that they labeled as "traitors" to the Zionist ideology. again, do you deny history?

Posted by: Tom Murphy at December 13, 2004 05:16 PM

- Reading your rambling ancient history babble my guess is I was already a learned professional when your Daddy was a twinkle in your grand fathers eye and you weren't even on the horizon yet....but be that as it may you're quite naive' to use the old deflection trick... you're like Kerry.... stuck in what "was" instead of what "is"...and worse your references are 90+ years old...

- You really should learn to read... one minute you're accusing others of cutting things off and the very next you do exactly the same thing. Heres the full sentence so you can study it more closely "in full"....

"When you try to "project" ignaramous ideas like the paranoia of Herzi Zionism "reborn" into the modern Islamic Fascist landscape...."

- So you understand and so you won't hurt yourself trying to think too hard, the working word here is "modern"... meaning something at least within the last 45 years... got it now...

- Herzi is at best, only tangentially connected with modern day Israel... sorry.... no cigar....

- From your references pertaining to "Palestine" and 1800 you obviously have no clue as to the history of that entire area... and I'm not going to waste bandwidth giving you one.... A clue would be to start with the idea that until the UN codification of a "Palestinian" area there were only nomadic tribes and small village enclaves there. Start with that and when you know a little more maybe I'll debate with you.....Till then you simply don't have the ammunition.....

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at December 13, 2004 05:48 PM

Tom

Give it up. All you've done is not answer either me, or the very succinct historical facts that Hunter has laid out. You've been reduced to babbling "So's yer old man!!"

Another little factiod to chew on is that even the word "Palestinian" historically refered to the JEWS of the area .. it is the corruption of a ROMAN label they gave the area after conquering the ISRAELITES ... to name the area after the Jews enemies, the Philistines ... as an insult and in the old fashion of trying to wipe out the history of a conquered people by destroying their buildings (the 2nd Temple) and renaming everything.

Mohammed learned well, basing his "religion" by plagarizing Christian and Jewish histories, then claiming his new religion really was the first and it is Christians and Jews who have corrupted their scriptures. Read up on Islamist teachings...they claim Jesus and Moses as moslems. This is why there is a mosque on top of the Temple Mount, why Arafat sneered the Jews have "no historical connection" to Jerusalem (and even the simpering French gave in on the myth of the Egyptian Arafat being born in Jerusalem) why moslem leaders when they have any power at all refuse to allow Jews to visit any of their historical sites. Islamists have a particular enmity towards Jews because the Jews refused to convert to Islam. This why they preach the Jews are "pigs and monkeys". This all predates by over a thousand years the modern state of Israel.

Either you are so totally twisted by the Jew-hating Leftist dogma you spout or you are truly an Jewhater yourself. Either way, neither history, fact or morality is on your side. As I stated before, sir, you are indecent.

Posted by: Darleen at December 13, 2004 09:09 PM

Darleen, can we establish what the 1998 Fatwa actually says and what it doesn't say? I really have to wonder how brainwashed someone has to be to look at the 1998 Fatwa and insist that the grievances listed are not the motives. It explicitly lays out what they object to
1. U.S. occupation of the Arabian Peninsula.
2. U.S. aggression against the Iraqi people.
3. U.S. support of Israel.
and says what they want to do
"to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque [in Jerusalem] and the holy mosque [in Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim."
This part of the sentence is omitted by Tenet and others.
Darleen, you ignore what the Fatwa says, you invent what you want it to say and you ignore the evidence I show you that US officials are manipulating the public by omitting the reason why when they quote from it.
What gives? Instead of dealing with the main point you want to run off on tangents and also sink to calling people "anti-Semites" for daring to point out the truth.

Posted by: Tom Murphy at December 14, 2004 02:05 AM

So the US and Israel control Mecca and the Temple Mount, eh? And do you not understand that the fatwa's call for the defeat of all infidels so that no moslem is ever threatened is a direct reference to the dar ul Islam v dar ul Harb? Don't you understand that the fatwa is calling for a Judenrein, infidel free, ME and the rest of the world to be defeated and dhimmitude established?

::rolling eyes::

You do know, of course, that Islamists consider all land ever having been "moslem" are forever moslem? That includes SPAIN?

"Let the whole world know that we shall never accept that the tragedy of Andalusia be repeated in Palestine.We cannot accept that Palestine will become Jewish." bin Laden
This is the concept of the Islamic Waqf. Indeed, there are moslems who claim America as Waqf because they claim there was a moslem with Columbus.

Understand, that Hitler said to publically to Chamberlain..."just give us what is 'ours' and we will leave you alone" while Nazis were reading for their fight to establish the Third Reich worldwide. What is it you don't understand that Islamofacsism is only different in resources, not kind??

Posted by: Darleen at December 14, 2004 06:49 AM

"So the US and Israel control Mecca and the Temple Mount, eh? "

Darleen, is there some sort of problem I should know about with you? Do you have a mental block or something? Israel occupies the territory and the US backs the un-elected Saudi Government, what part of that don't you understand? The call is a call of defense. You don't have to agree that Muslims need to defend themsleves but don't BS other Americans about why we are being attacked.

Again, what does the 1998 Fatwa actually say? You ignore all the statements and you invent things that are not there. The people MOTIVATED to attack us are not being told "hey, let's establish a worldwide Muslim State and dominate the world"

"A former member of an extremist Islamic organization which is part of al-Qaeda explained how the organization's recruiters operate on susceptible young men. "Someone approached me in the mosque as I was praying, and started to talk to me about injustice in the Middle East, the poverty, our impotence in the face of Israel. He made me want to listen to him - to find a solution. At first these people don't talk about violence. They concentrate on how much injustice America has caused in the world and how to get rid of this unfairness. They mention Palestine, they call on you to uphold your national dignity, to defend people, and suggest for that you must sacrifice yourself. Then your people will live after you and will always remember you." The young man, himself an Egyptian, speaking in the privacy of a quite courtyard in Cairo, believed this was the way Mohamed Atta was approached." - "Al-Qaeda" by Jane Corbin p125

What are you trying to pull with this crap that the 1998 Fatwa is a call for a Muslim state of the entire world. Over and over again it has been made clear that they are reacting to specific US foreign policies.
Osama is almost begging the US to leave the Muslim people alone, "You, the American people, I talk to you today about the best way to avoid another catastrophe and about war, its reasons and its consequences." "Any nation that does not attack us will not be attacked."

Can we at least establish what the 1998 Fatwa actaully says? You have not acknowledged this basic fact.
You deny that what motivates the terrorists is the specific foreign policies. And why not talk the time to look into these policies. Why is it just to force hundreds of thousands of people off their land in the name of ethnic purity? By the way, was being against slavery "blaming America"? Your argument seems to boil down to the idea that US foreign polices can't possibly be wrong since they are US policies.

Posted by: Tom Murphy at December 14, 2004 10:05 AM

- Tom - I answered all your comments....you on the other hand answered none of mine what so ever.... Your idea starts with the premise that everything American is evil and bad. A position thats both childish and sophomoric. What is you main angst. That stronger countries assert their power over weaker ones. so what. Thats the way of the world. Grow up. What do you want to do. Go back to the pre-history of man and start bitching that one group of cavemen conquered another. Your comments are just silly....

- If you really want to know what the pronouncements of the Extremist Muslim "scholars" are read here then come back armed with the truth and maybe I'll waste some time with you....

- "Sheikh Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi issued a communiqué saying that "Resistance in Iraq is a Duty of Every Muslim" in August 2004, along with 93 other Muslim clerics and scholars from the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hizbullah, signed another communiqué calling to support the forces fighting the coalition in Iraq"....

- The interesting thing about this rather large set of "rules" for Muslims fighting in a war is that the majority of the missive centers on "how to kill people". Actually this group of humanitarians had to re-issue the commands several times because they couldn't quite decide on what kind of woman and children could be killed and why. Of course they always make it sound like this is done in the name of "Defense". They must be really experienced fighters if they need "defenses" against children. Overall the whole thing gives new meaning to "peace loving Muslims"...

- Whats even more interesting is that none of the participants in this "brotherhood" is Iraqi. Apparently, you Tom, believe its perfectly reasonable for outside interests to tell Iraqi's what they should think and do, while you condemn America for trying to give them freedom of choice. Now thats really interesting, and shows the stupid hypocrisies of the leftard Democrats, the so called party of the "freedom to choose"...

- Some of your asshat bretheren spend their days trying to rewrite history and scrub any mention of religion from the public forum, but you think one group of Extremist Jihadists, using the phony front of religion to impose their will on others in the Arab world, makes perfect sense. Your idea's and your comments are bankrupt. You're just another Socialist/Marxist trying to work your tired old meme's on the world. Go fight it out with your real enemy, IslamoFascism, and stop wasting everyones time....

Posted by: Big Bang Hunter at December 14, 2004 11:05 AM

I answered all your comments.

No you didn't.

you on the other hand answered none of mine what so ever

you have serious problems.

they couldn't quite decide on what kind of woman and children could be killed and why

am I missing something? I looked it over and they say you should not kill woman and children!

stronger countries assert their power over weaker ones. so what.

aren't you something.

Posted by: Tom Murphy at December 15, 2004 10:32 AM